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Are There Any 757-200 ER?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 7:40 am

I had a dispute with a friend of mine, I stated that there were only 752, 752cargo and 753. He said there was a 752ER as well...
At the end he showed me the website of Martinair:
http://www.martinair.nl/prod/web/index.nsf/87bdeb1b30a30222c125677f004e787a/1ba3bd5d5ee98089c1256966004d211b?OpenDocument

But isn't this not the normal 752 specifics? (I am sorry, it is in dutch, but i think english speakers will understand it) This is the PH-AHI, and is the only 757 in the martinair fleet.

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RE: Are There Any 757-200 ER?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 8:04 am

Officially there is no 752ER certified as such.

Boeing has discussed a longer range 752 with several airlines but will need a launch customer prior to development. If developed, this would be the 757-200ER. LH and CO have shown interest in the past.



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RE: Are There Any 757-200 ER?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 8:10 am

i might be wrong, but i always thought there was already a 757-200ER.
i think Boeing referred to the longer range 752 as 757-200X. and undoubtedly, if there is still no 752ER, this could be named 752ER.

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RE: Are There Any 757-200 ER?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 8:16 am

Actually you're right Johnnybgoode.

I checked Bill Harms' website and several charter carriers have 752's identified as 757-200ER. AA, UA, and CO also have 752's identified as 757-200ET, which I think are the ones that are transatlantic capable.

Nonetheless, Boeing has discussed an even longer range 752 with LH, CO etc. Perhaps to be called the 752LR if ever launched?

Neil
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RE: Are There Any 757-200 ER?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 8:23 am

To my knowledge there are no official 757-200ERs. But the ones certified for transatl flights are ETOPS certified, which is kinda like ERs. ETOPS in case you didn't know stands for Extended Twin Operations
 
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RE: Are There Any 757-200 ER?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 8:26 am

hi
I was convinced a 757-200ER existed till today...
Air Transat uses sometimes a 757-200(which I thought was ER) on the Montreal-Paris route...isn't this route too long for a normal 757?
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RE: Are There Any 757-200 ER?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 8:46 am

BA have a few which are listed as -ER's.
 
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RE: Are There Any 757-200 ER?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 10:14 am

United has around 12 ER's used to Hawaii.They say ETOPS above the front gear door.They are classified as "ER" in Simon Forty's 'United Airlines' book. I flew N595UA and N597UA LAX-LIH-LAX in March. That was 6 hours.Isn't ETOPS 3 hrs.(3 hours each way)

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RE: Are There Any 757-200 ER?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 10:15 am

Some of the Britannia Airways fleet has them listed as 757-200ER's - Though only about four. Just out of interest, Airtours International used to fly G-WJAN (a -21K) on charters from the UK to the Dominican Republic via Bangor, Maine. This particular aircraft is not listed as an ER version, but is powered by RB211-535E4's.

This is just a theory of mine, but my guess is this:
A 757-200 is ETOPS certified if it is powered by RR RB211-535E4 engines or the equivalent P&W engines from the PW2000 stable. I have never known a 757 with older RR 535C engines to be ETOPS certified. The 535C and 535E4 are almost totally different engines infact, the E4 is a lot more powerful and is more fuel efficient, which gives the 757 greater range than one powered by the 535C. The E4 can be rated up to 43,000 pounds of thrust, the 535C can only manage up to around 37-39,000 pounds of thrust.

I'm not saying I'm correct, but the above is my own view.

Anyway, I thought Boeing was launching the longer range model as the 757-200ERX? I know they are also seriously looking at making the 757-300 ETOPS capable. Can someone let us know please?
 
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RE: Are There Any 757-200 ER?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 10:22 am

What is the range of the P&W 2000 powered 757-200s that are used by the USAF as Air Force Two and for VIP executive transports for the Secretary of State and others?
 
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RE: Are There Any 757-200 ER?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 10:23 am

Berfore the term ETOPS became normal for Extended Twin Ops, the term EROPS was also used by some operators (Extended Range Ops).
Guessing here, the ER designation may come from that.
BA had a few 757s at LGW (in Caledonian colours) that were ETOPS/EROPS certified - PEA, PEB, PEC, PEE and PEF I think. There is certainly no difference in fuel capacity between an ER and a non-ER 757.
 
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RE: Are There Any 757-200 ER?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 10:35 am

There's actually ONE B752 Combi built.

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RE: Are There Any 757-200 ER?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 10:38 am

YYZ717 and Bigmikenice are absoultely right.

Officialy Boeing define an Extednded-Range (ER) variant as having extra fuel tanks or increased fuel capacity. Since all B757s have exactly the same fuel capacity, their is no ER variant.

Many fleet listings refer to ETOPS-modified B757-200s as B757-200ERs, which is technically not correct, but is just a method of identifying ETOPS aircraft. Range is unaffected by ETOPS status.

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RE: Are There Any 757-200 ER?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 10:52 am

YES,752Ers may exist. An aviation book i have,abcUnited Airlines,says United has 10 752ers.they are regs N543-552UA.A book of the same seires on DL says they own 4 "757-212ERs". however DL's Boeing customer code is -32.They're regs are N750-753AT. Whats with that?Also,750-752 have former Singapore regs while 753 doesnt have a serial listed or any former regs.DL also suposedly owns N757AT a "757-212".None of my other books aknowlage any 752ERs from existing. If anyone else owns these books Id check out the fleet list.
 
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RE: Are There Any 757-200 ER?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 12:44 pm

L.1011, the aircraft ending with "AT" are from American Trans Air.
 
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RE: Are There Any 757-200 ER?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 12:47 pm

The 4 ex-SIA 752's that DL bought from ATA (ie, the -212's) have the same max gross weight as the other DL 752's. IE, they are standard 752's.

The plot thickens by the way....jpAirline Fleets does not list ANY 752's as being ER's. While Bill Harm's lists do.
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RE: Are There Any 757-200 ER?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 1:12 pm

The very first time I heard of B757-200ERs referred to the Royal Brunei machines. These were operated on the flight to London from Banda Seri Begawan.

Perhaps someone with a greater inclination toward technical data could ascertain if that is accurate.

Also the single B757-200Combi was built for and operated by Royal Nepal Airlines.

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RE: Are There Any 757-200 ER?

Tue Nov 20, 2001 6:19 pm

The SQ-ATA-DL planes were once considered ER's as they did work overseas routes. I'm not sure where SQ flew them but ATA flew them on routes such as JFK-DUB before they were sold to DL. Many items such as the hydraulic motor generator are still installed and have been deactivated by DL. (The HMG is an air driven hydraulic pump that puts out electrical current in an emergency.) They are not installed on domestic 757's.
 
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RE: Are There Any 757-200 ER?

Wed Nov 21, 2001 5:48 am

TNX for the replies! I think indeed that the musunderstanding is in the fact that a 752 with ETOPS is also mentioned as 752ER.

Again thanks a lot.
 
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RE: Are There Any 757-200 ER?

Thu Nov 22, 2001 6:49 am

ETOPS in case you didn't know stands for Extended Twin Operations

???

always though ETOPS would stand for
"Engines Turn Or People Swim"???

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RE: Are There Any 757-200 ER?

Fri Nov 23, 2001 10:05 pm


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