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Heathrow T5 Gets Green Light

Wed Nov 21, 2001 1:10 am

Main condition is max limit of 480,000 flights PA (last year the total was 460,000) and that Tube and Heathrow Express should serve the terminal.

3rd east west runway will be discussed at later stage as part of Airport Capcity in SE England.

Also sounds like the UK government may abide by the European court judgement on early (pre 6am) flights

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RE: Heathrow T5 Gets Green Light

Wed Nov 21, 2001 1:16 am

Terminal five cleared for take-off

London's Heathrow Airport has been given the go-ahead for a fifth terminal.
Transport Secretary Stephen Byers made the announcement in the House of Commons on Tuesday, following a four-year public inquiry into the scheme.

"Now T5 has been given the go-ahead, we shall be looking very closely at the conditions attached"
T5 opponent Peter Brown

Airlines, trade unions and big business welcomed the new terminal, which Heathrow's operator, BAA, hopes will be operational by 2007.

BAA first applied for planning permission for the terminal, known as T5, 14 years ago.

However, environmental campaigners and local councils remained bitterly opposed to T5, which could push up Heathrow's annual passenger numbers by more than 20 million.

Friends of the Earth, which has run a long campaign against T5, claims the public inquiry was turned into "a farce" by the government, because it was not "neutral" about the proposal.

An FoE statement also claims BAA has "not done proper analysis of potential disadvantages, such as 'over-heating' the economy, noise and air pollution and traffic congestion."

Eleven local authorities around Heathrow have also been opposed to the scheme getting the go ahead.

"Now T5 has got the go-ahead, we shall be looking very closely at the conditions attached," said Peter Brown, a spokesman for the authorities.

"We want the conditions enforced and we do not want a repeat of the Heathrow Terminal 4 situation when promises on the number of flights were broken within a matter of months."

A BAA spokesman at Heathrow said it expected conditions to be set.

"It's too simple to say promises were broken as far as Terminal 4 was concerned.

"Recommendations were made, but circumstances changed."

Opinion divided

Those in favour say Heathrow needs to expand to meet passenger and airline demand and to help London compete as a business centre with leading European financial centres.

Ken Howard, of campaign group Slough for Terminal 5, said it will improve employment prospects.

"It will bring a lot of business into the local economy through support services such as cleaners and caterers and will safeguard existing jobs as productivity increases," he told BBC News Online.

Opponents dispute BAA claims the new terminal will not increase road and aircraft traffic by much.

BAA says T5, which will cater for about 30 million travellers a year, will help the airport handle about 80-85 million passengers a year.

Anti-T5 groups fear this annual figure is more likely to be 90-100 million.

The government decision follows the end of the inquiry into T5, held from 1995 to 1999 and costing an estimated £80m.

Inquiry inspector Roy Vandermeer QC's report will be published when Mr Byers makes his decision.

The new terminal will have links to the Tube's Piccadilly line and to the mainline Heathrow Express.

from bbc online

Hooray for heathrow, its about time.

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RE: Heathrow T5 Gets Green Light

Wed Nov 21, 2001 1:24 am

Excellent news for LHR and its future as the largest European and International airport.

Especially for British Airways and OneWorld, who will no doubt have T5 for themselves.
And good news for jobs and local economy.
And if the locals don't like it, they've got 6 years to move.

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RE: Heathrow T5 Gets Green Light

Wed Nov 21, 2001 1:31 am

I hope SIA get's rights to Terminal Five as well. Hopefully they've contructed T4 in such a way that the A380 is to fat to fit.
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RE: Heathrow T5 Gets Green Light

Wed Nov 21, 2001 1:59 am

I doubt it, as they're not OneWorld. Maybe they'll get more slots at FRA, which is monopolised by STAR.
There will be more room at T4 anyway, as AA will join BA at T5.

As for T4 gates, I heard somewhere that they planned to make the A380 so it will squeeze into the same spot as a 744. The issue being the number of seats etc at gates for pax waiting to board. But I'm not sure about that.
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RE: Heathrow T5 Gets Green Light

Wed Nov 21, 2001 2:08 am

Here's an article from The Times. Now why are these people complaining about the noise when they choose to stay beside the world's busiest airport?


Terminal 5 must keep the noise down


HEATHROW will today win approval for a fifth terminal to preserve its status as the world’s leading airport.
But acceptance of the £2.25 billion scheme will come with strings attached — including night flight restrictions — to appease residents and environmental campaigners.

Stephen Byers will announce the decision in the Commons, eight years after BAA applied for a new building to cater for another 30 million passengers a year.

The Transport Secretary is expected to accept BAA’s offer to limit aircraft noise to 1994 levels, but the airport is likely to be allowed to handle many more flights.

Campaigners against the terminal claim the noise restrictions will be painless for airlines — since technology is making aircraft engines quieter — but do nothing to improve life for local people.

John Stewart, chairman of Clearskies, said residents would welcome any restriction on the 16 flights that arrive at Heathrow before 6am each day. The European Court of Human Rights ruled last month that the flights violated residents’ right to a good night’s sleep. The Government was given until January 2 to appeal against that ruling, but Mr Byers is expected to try to resolve the issue by linking it to the Terminal Five decision.

The main section of the terminal, which is to be built on an old sewage works to the west of the existing terminals and would be served by an extended Heathrow Express and Piccadilly Line, would open in 2007. An additional satellite building would open by 2012.

Copyright 2001 Times Newspapers Ltd.

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RE: Heathrow T5 Gets Green Light

Wed Nov 21, 2001 2:31 am

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RE: Heathrow T5 Gets Green Light

Wed Nov 21, 2001 3:08 am

Where would they put a third runway ? I think it would have to be on the North side and shove the A4 up a few hundred yards - MAJOR WORK


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RE: Heathrow T5 Gets Green Light

Wed Nov 21, 2001 3:20 am

I think it should be emphasized that the Labour Government (Hoorah!), have imposed a 480k flights a year restriction on the airport, thus ending any more work at LHR, and it's just a 20k increase than 2000.

Critics suggest that T5 is not going to be worth it, especially if night-time restrictions are going to be "over-stringent".

In addition, a 3rd runway will be needed, against neighbour's wishes. Though probably going to be built, I don't envisage it being built in time for Terminal 5.
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RE: Heathrow T5 Gets Green Light

Wed Nov 21, 2001 3:36 am

I dont think SQ will get a look-in at T5, T5 will cater for ALL British Airways flights and probably oneWorld flights also.
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RE: Heathrow T5 Gets Green Light

Wed Nov 21, 2001 4:40 am

By my reckoning, average passenger numbers per movement will have to rise from around 140 in 2000 up to 187.5 when T5 is up and running to achieve 90 million passengers per year.

Anyone think BA will be forced to use bigger aircraft?

The 20,000 flights equates to roughly 3 movements an hour extra.

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RE: Heathrow T5 Gets Green Light

Wed Nov 21, 2001 5:11 am

Great news indeed. I wonder if T5 will have any facility for enthusiasts (fat chance?)

Anyway, great news nonetheless and hopefully once the "debate" over airport capacity in the SE is completed, we can see design work commenced (if it hasn't been, already) on R3, which would be a shorter runway, built north of the airport. It may not be built by the time T5 opened, but the government will have learned from the T5 experience and will have either introduced or planned to introduce legislation to limit the length of planning procedures for economically important projects such as this.

By the way, when will this limit of 480,000 movements be reached? Surely well ahead of 2007 (they would be needed fairly soon). Also, with BA due to enter an alliance with AA, this will also raise more capacity into the system, so more routes will be available to newer carriers . . .
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RE: Heathrow T5 Gets Green Light

Wed Nov 21, 2001 7:28 am

It will only work if another runway is built, otherwise, runway lines would get longer, and there would be more delays.

As far as airlines go, I see it being All BA and Oneworld. I wouldn't be shocked if American and Cathay left T3 for T5. The point is, I think it will be mostly international flights and BA/partners.

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RE: Heathrow T5 Gets Green Light

Wed Nov 21, 2001 8:31 am

I wonder if they will be putting CO, DL, and NW in T4 when the US-UK bilateral agreement is worked out. (please say so...)

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RE: Heathrow T5 Gets Green Light

Wed Nov 21, 2001 8:37 am

They really do need a 3rd runway as LHR is already running over 100% of capacity.

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