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Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Fri Nov 23, 2001 12:51 pm

Ansett - A new star is born!

An article in the Australian Financial reveiw details a new AN website and advertising campaign for the weekend Australian newspapers.

They are asking former and current AN employees to come and apply for the 5,000 jobs on offer when Tesna Holdings takes over the reigns of AN MKII on February 1.

The advertising campaign has a new slogan "Ansett a new star is born!" and the AN 'A' logo surrounded by stars.

This surely must confirm that our AN is now going to be ressurected regardless of the DJ / Lange reports to the contrary.

***yay*** for AN!

Cheers,

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mb (WOW a new star is born!)
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Fri Nov 23, 2001 12:53 pm

Fantastic news
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Fri Nov 23, 2001 1:14 pm

****yay****

Ooops, better not get carried away!

 Smile Smile Smile

mb
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Fri Nov 23, 2001 1:22 pm

Great news! Glad to know many staff will be re-employed & it will be good to see AN in the air again.

 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Fri Nov 23, 2001 1:29 pm

I suggest AN start naming each aircraft. This is fast becoming a thing of the past and should be revived. This is the perfect time to do so.

In line with the A New Star is Born campaign, they should name each a/c after a star or constellation - eg

"Vega", "Polaris", "Pegasus" etc - a nice touch I think.

 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Fri Nov 23, 2001 1:35 pm

Jsmith, Japan Air Lines did the exact same thing with their 777s, they named them the "Star Jets" and each plane had a constellation on them.
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Fri Nov 23, 2001 1:57 pm

Hey guys,

Maybe they could name them after Australian native birds and have a little picture of each one near the cockpit window?

Too cute? Although VQ did have the cocky livery which was fantastic.

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AN - A new star is born!!

mb
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Fri Nov 23, 2001 2:05 pm

cathay pacific, now you're really flying
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Fri Nov 23, 2001 2:06 pm

Already done on Qantas B737-476s, Kookaburra, Brolga, Eagle, Falcon, Heron, Ibis, Swift, Kestrel, Egret, Lorikeet, Petrel, Bellbird, Cockatiel, Jabiru, Kingfisher, Currawong and Swan.
The ANA DC-4s carried names like Amana, Lackrana, Warana, Tatana (noticing a trend??)..... Since then I can't find any record of aircraft named by Ansett, other than the Olympic aircraft.
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Fri Nov 23, 2001 2:18 pm

What about famous Olympians???

Uh-oh, there are river cats and jet cats named after those... Sheesh!

mb
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Fri Nov 23, 2001 2:25 pm

Or they could go against all current Australian trends and name them something Aboriginal....

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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Fri Nov 23, 2001 2:56 pm

Noted about the JL aircraft - but JL do not have stars featuring in their livery like AN do. I think the naming of AN aircraft as such is more appropriate.
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Fri Nov 23, 2001 4:22 pm

Eyesspee, you forget Wunala and Nalanji Dreaming!
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Fri Nov 23, 2001 4:45 pm

Ansett is the sporting airline, but I'd have to say, we worship our sporting heroes enough  Smile

A website will be at http://www.newansett.com in the near future.

Cheers,

Justin

BTW: There's an Ansett Party in Melbourne on Dec 5th. $5 for staff, and $10 for supporters. It's at Crown Casino's Heat Nightclub.
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Fri Nov 23, 2001 7:04 pm

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy Smile/happy/getting dizzy Smile/happy/getting dizzy yippee!!
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Fri Nov 23, 2001 7:39 pm

Skystar,

What better an occaision to worship our beloved AN staff thant to fly on AN to MEL for that party!

Count me in!!

***yay***

***yay***

THE NEW STAR IS BORN AND MAY IT ROCK!

 Smile Smile Big grin Big grin Big grin

mb
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Fri Nov 23, 2001 8:10 pm

wow! Am I with Ansett? Absolutely!!

so exciting!!
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Fri Nov 23, 2001 8:24 pm

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!
yes yes yes!!!!! that news is AWESOME!!!!!

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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Fri Nov 23, 2001 9:09 pm

YAY~~~~~

Just got back from Friday late night shopping...

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too bad I can't go to the Melbourne party... I'll be flying out of Oz on Monday 26nov...

ANSETT--A NEW STAR IS BORN!!!!

(So what about Star alliance now?)




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Sat Nov 24, 2001 1:11 am

Fox, Lew seek government travel help

By GEOFFREY THOMAS
Saturday 24 November 2001
ISSUES 2001: Ansett crisis

Millionaire businessmen Lindsay Fox and Solomon Lew have asked the Federal Government for enough of the government travel contract to ensure Ansett Mark II can secure 25 per cent of the domestic market.

A slice of the government travel contract for a period of at least two years is one of the outstanding conditions that Fox-Lew have set on their $1.1 billion deal to buy Ansett, Canberra sources confirm.

But by agreeing to that demand the government would be virtually underwriting one competitor in a market that is supposed to be deregulated and would have the effect of winding Qantas back to a 65 per cent market share while Virgin Blue has 10 per cent.

Analysts believe that if Ansett was liquidated Qantas would drop back to 70 per cent market share and Virgin Blue would expand to 30.

The government travel contract is the largest in the country and held by Qantas. Virgin Blue does not carry any government staff.


The other outstanding condition is a revision of the Trade Practices Act to try to set up artificial protection against normal market forces.

That change has been rejected five times in the past 10 years by both Labor and Liberal governments.

That move would enable the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission to simply issue cease and desist notices against Qantas or Virgin Blue if Ansett complained about pricing competition.

Cabinet meets on Tuesday and a final decision on the demands is expected by Thursday.

The Fox-Lew deal calls for the lease of 29 brand-new Airbus A320s, worth $2.5 billion, from United Airlines, which has deferred the jets.

The $1.10 billion funding package includes $400 million in cash, say Ansett's administrators.

The Fox-Lew consortium had also asked the government to underwrite some of Ansett's routes but that demand has been dropped, although the government has agreed to allow the group to cross-own airports and airlines.

On Thursday Transport Minister John Anderson said that he believed the Fox-Lew Tesna consortium was well placed to get Ansett Mark II flying and he would decide next week on the two outstanding issues, which he refused to identify.

Mr Anderson rejected the Ansett administrators' demand that the Federal Government convert the $195 million earmarked for Ansett staff entitlements into a one-off grant to the airline.

Sources at Sydney Airport say that the Fox-Lew plan for Ansett called for the conversion of the Ansett terminal at that airport to a joint international and domestic terminal.

Star Alliance airlines such as Singapore Airlines, Air New Zealand and United would use the facility and transfer passengers directly on to Ansett domestic flights, thus avoiding the cross-airport bus trip.

Yesterday Virgin Blue distanced itself from any suggestion that it wanted to run Ansett with Lang Corporation. However, Virgin Blue is interested in bidding for Ansett's assets with Lang, which may also be an investor in Virgin Blue.

Singapore Airlines, while denying any equity involvement, is known to be interested in becoming involved and is considered vital for the success of Ansett.

 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Sat Nov 24, 2001 8:10 am

Jimmy,

Ansett II is currently a member of the Star Alliance, however most benefits are currently suspended (tiered GR members still get benefits on other *Alliance carriers).

Cheers,

Justin
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Sat Nov 24, 2001 9:05 am

WOO-HOO!!!!!!!!! That's great news! I wish them all best. Maybe I can non-rev on them in January when I head down under!
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Sat Nov 24, 2001 9:29 am

Fantastic idea: joint Domestic/International Star Alliance terminal at YSSY. That would clear up the problems of the terminal being too big for a new AN, though it would involve significant work.
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Sat Nov 24, 2001 9:29 am

Justin, thanks for pointing that out, but what I was saying is that would the Star Alliance people do a "homecoming party" -- ads and commercials etc...

Oh wells, that's all good for Ansett. And I reckon the idea of the Ansett terminal for Star Alliance airlines is FABULOUS!! That would be much much easier for the travellers and the airlines... but do they have enough gates??

Jimmy
 
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Sat Nov 24, 2001 10:18 am

Congratulations to Ansett. They deserve to stay in business, and it's great that they are giving their displaced employees a chance to come back to work for the new company.  Smile


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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Sat Nov 24, 2001 10:21 am

Good luck to all our friends and colleagues at Ansett!

Here's to hoping we can join you again in the skies, soon.

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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Sat Nov 24, 2001 12:10 pm

Jimmy,

Exactly my point. AN SYD is too small for a combined international/domestic terminal. The issue is not just only gate numbers, but spacing. In order for it to accomodate 744s and the like, gates will need to be removed, as most are wingspan limited. Gate spacing was a limiting factor for an A330 order (and you can make that A340 as well if you want to make it an international terminal - same wing).

Although I'm happy for Ansett (make that bloody happy) getting back into the air, its ideas like these which make me wonder about the knowledge of Fox/Lew. First the internet, email, etc, etc and now this.

Both are great ideas in an ideal world, but are they workable?

Cheers,

Justin
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Sat Nov 24, 2001 12:25 pm

I might add, another partner in the terminal is a good idea - because Fox/Lew aren't going to be using full capacity.

I wish Ansett's staff and Fox/Lew the very best, because we don't ever want to see AN grounded again. Hopefully it'll run better than Lindsay Fox's RR dealerships (which once existed a little while ago, and suddenly closed up shop).

Cheers,

Justin
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Sat Nov 24, 2001 2:59 pm

I don't think there is any conrtetion that the terminal would have to be expanded. Is there the space? That's the question. In the ideal world each pier gets expanded with one serving International flights the other domestic. Then customs facilities etc can be installed between the two.

Oh well, sounds good anyway. I hate the inconvenience of that bus trip and the long intl/dom transit times. That said, you get some fantastic views of the tarmac!
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Sat Nov 24, 2001 3:33 pm

Hmmn,

Maybe YSSY should just go and build a tunnel under 16R  Smile Nothing like a bit of exercise!

Cheers,

Justin
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Sat Nov 24, 2001 4:12 pm

Hey guys!

Yay to AN! Yay to AN!

As for the International terminal (AN dom) expansion plans, these have been around for a while. There is nothing stopping AN converting these structures to accommodate 744's. I have on reasonable authority they can already accomodate A340's and 777's.

The space at AN dom is quite big and it would not take much to change one half a pier into Intl ops. Great for star Xfer pax. And closer to the city. It will be the customs officers and immigration that will need to be bussed from the Intl terminal.

There is plent of room for shops and the like. And the AN checkin area is far superior to all the others, at least in SYD.

Did anyone see todays papers?

Cheers,

Gotta love that big 'A' - soon back with a vengence!!

Good luck to all the AN staff that may have a chance at the new airline. I wish you the greatest.

mb  Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Sat Nov 24, 2001 4:20 pm

As I understand the above news article, it is one
of the Fox/Lew conditions for the Federal Government
to give Ansett enough travel work to cover a 25%
market share, this work is currently under contract
to Qantas, the 1st question is how does the Govt
cancel this contract and give out some work to AN?

If all this did come about surely Qantas would have
to put a few thousand more of its staff off, say another
2000, the overall gain would be 2000 in the aviation
industry about the same where it is now with the
administrators employing about that many running
AN2, the point being there is no gain in employment
at all, or am I missing something?

Wirraway
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Sat Nov 24, 2001 4:26 pm

The problem is space - there isn't much of it at SYD. If you expand certain gates to accomodate 744s, you lose a few gates. Even if AN were able to fit all the types of aircraft at its gates - there still wouldn't be enough.

There are only a few gates (can't remember which ones - less than 5) which can handle aircraft A330 sized and above.

It's a great idea, but it doesn't seem feasible.

Cheers,

Justin
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Sat Nov 24, 2001 4:41 pm

AN at Sydney will probably be half the size it was. Therefore theoritically one pier could go to Internation traffic.

Say there are 4 gates big enough for 744s. This would accomodate the morning peak of 2 SQ 744s and 2 UA 744s.

This leaves the TG 744 possibly an NZ 744. Surely a modest expansion of a pier would be possible say adding 2 more gates capable of 744s.

The 767s, 733s, 343s etc used by AC, NZ wouldn't be so much of a problem. The NG 777 arrives after some of the traffic has cleared.

If the worst comes to the worst, they could do an Adelaide and push the plane off the gate as soon as it has disembarked, to return it before departure. Inconvenient sure, but it would work.
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Sat Nov 24, 2001 6:59 pm

Goodluck to you AN, All the Best!!

Cheers
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Sat Nov 24, 2001 9:08 pm

I noticed the other day in Sydney that VH-ANA has gone, probably back to SQ-Singapore. Also VH-BZL has also been moved from the domestic terminal where it was parked at gate 13. Any of you Sydney spotters able to fill me in on the movement of these aircraft? I also noted that QF has leased (3 months) VH-BZI in all white colour scheme & QF name. This aircraft has ex AN flight crews on board under an AWAS contract. The same applies for the ex Nigerian Airlines B767-300 VH-NOA.

I presume VH-ANB has also left Brisbane for Singapore as well?

Could you let us know?

Cheers

BZF
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Sun Nov 25, 2001 8:36 am

BZF,

Both the 744's went a couple of weeks ago back to Changi. NOA is and the all white 76 have been leased to QF via AWAS.

I have some great shots of VH-ANA before she left us.

Interestingly, have any contracts been re-struck up with Gate Gourmet? AN are going to need catering.

The idea to use the AN terminal for International flights has been around for quite a while. I can't see any real reason why it can't be achieved relatively easily. If there is overflow - then a/c can use the Intl. terminal.

Cheers,

mb
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Sun Nov 25, 2001 8:47 am

Hmmmm - Perhaps if they are going to use the Ansett terminal for international flights, they should take over the Qantas domestic terminal to ensure enough space for all the Star and affiliates (the QF domestic terminal is over the road from the AN one, is it not?), and Qantas take over the other half of the current international terminal presently used by Star and affiliates, for its domestic Terminal. Is this possible? Likely?

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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Sun Nov 25, 2001 10:10 am

The ads did not come out - the unions jumped on Fox/Lew bluddy quick smart and stopped that. Apart from which, the new owners don't quite "own" AN as yet !!
The common view was that Fox/Lew were trying to get as many terminated or redundant staff back as they could, as these staff would all come with no "baggage" - i.e. no entitlements or expenses, having been already paid out.
Gate Gourmet is not required - AN has made that known officially. Mx5 - the plans for the AN terminal have always included a third finger, to be placed along where Catering and Cargo is along First Ave there. This third finger would have been for International and if you look at the AN terminal as you approach it from the airport entrance, you will see that the entire north facing facade is totally solid, whereas the south end is glassed in. This was done deliberately to allow the extensions to be added to the north facing end in the future with minimum effort. The blueprints for this finger show aerobridges and gates for 8 widebodies. As to Star carriers using the AN terminal, I'd doubt if it would happen as NZ SQ and TG for starters all contract QF for ground handling (and have done so for years). NZ and SQ are locked in to their long term contracts due to handling arrangements at their own ports. (If NZ could have got out of it, it certainly would have done so well before now when they owned AN and had the AN staff at the ITB.) It is logical and makes sense however, it also depends on just how extensive the new AN will be. Cheers.
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Mon Nov 26, 2001 8:58 am

AJ,

Thanks for the info mate. I had been told about the future expansion options for the AN terminal but couldn't remember the exact details - this was around some time ago.

Hmmm, I heard something to the contrary about Gate Gourmet, in that it is currently in limbo waiting for NEWANSETT before creditors sell the business. I'm not suggesting Fox/Lew own it, just that they would be using some version of Gate Gourmet. I doubt it would be wise for New AN to use QF Catering  Smile  Smile.

Why did the unions pull the plug on the ad campaign? Isn't it important for New AN to get as many staff registered as possible so they can be placed ASAP?

Cheers,

mb
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Mon Nov 26, 2001 9:54 am

Al,

"The common view was that Fox/Lew were trying to get as many terminated or redundant staff back as they could, as these staff would all come with no "baggage" - i.e. no entitlements or expenses, having been already paid out."

Attached to the business plan that VH-BZF posted was a list of FAQ's. One of
these basically stated that if you have received a redundancy payout since
13/11 you are NOT eligible to apply for employment with AN2.

Any other staff try to login at www.newansett.com, now I know why no
employee numbers were printed on last weeks engineering payslip's.

Rmm
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Mon Nov 26, 2001 7:24 pm

Mx5_boy

Have seen about 3-4 Gate Gourmet catering trucks in a used truck yard on Mt. Alexander Rd - Ascot Vale, in Melbourne. Unfortunately it looks as though they are gone & according to a news report in Melbourne a couple of weeks ago, GG is to be liquidated!

Sad for all those employees! I did see a GG truck at Sydney airport the other day though?

Cheers - BZF
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Mon Nov 26, 2001 9:06 pm

I saw VH-BZI in ADL the other day for QF with the white tail...was trying to picture it in AN colours...
 
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RE: Ansett - A New Star Is Born!

Mon Nov 26, 2001 9:15 pm

Good news for such a fantastic airline.  Big thumbs up
 
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