manni
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Market For A380 And 747-400

Mon Nov 26, 2001 3:33 am

I was wondering how many orders Boeing had for the 747-400 since the official go ahead for the Airbus A380.
Do you think the 747-400 will still sell when the A380 is around?
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Alessandro
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RE: Market For A380 And 747-400

Mon Nov 26, 2001 3:59 am

Sure they will sell 747´s even when A380 is flying commercially, if you have 10 747´s and need a few
more planes in the same size, of course you will buy
the 747 again.
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RE: Market For A380 And 747-400

Mon Nov 26, 2001 4:32 am

I think the 747 market is declining Sad
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RE: Market For A380 And 747-400

Mon Nov 26, 2001 4:36 am

I think that the 747 will do just fine. If the airlines already own 747's and they need more they will probably be likely to buy th747 instead of the A380. Take NWA for example: They would never buy the A380 with having 747's in their fleet already and they have 2 orders out on the 747 right now.
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manni
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RE: Market For A380 And 747-400

Mon Nov 26, 2001 4:39 am

All airlines that ordered the A380 so far have 747s in their fleet. With the exception of Emirates, altough they have the 747 freighter, of wich they also ordered versions of the A380 I believe.
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RE: Market For A380 And 747-400

Mon Nov 26, 2001 5:44 am

I think that question will arise in earnest when the A380 will actually be available. Until then, there´s not even an alternative.

That will change, however, after 2006. Further investing in "the previous generation" of large airliners may become a problem in the flying public´s perception, if the A380 has been introduced and if it is well-received. If the proposed advantages of the A380 over the 747 should materialize, that would increase the pressure even further.

But all that, of course, would assume Boeing sitting on their hands in this matter...  Wink/being sarcastic
 
DatamanA340
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RE: Market For A380 And 747-400

Mon Nov 26, 2001 8:13 pm

The ones that eats 747s place is not 380, but 777 and 340NGs.
 
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RE: Market For A380 And 747-400

Mon Nov 26, 2001 11:07 pm

I think the B744ER would be still good.

B744 and B744ER:
around 412 pax in 3 class config range:13000km

A380-800 (first variant)
around 555 pax in 3 class config range: 8000nm

They are to serve different markets unless of course Airbus builds the proposed smaller but longer range and combi Superjumbos.
 
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RE: Market For A380 And 747-400

Tue Nov 27, 2001 3:59 am


Airbus lover,

You're presenting the ranges in a very misleading manner. When you have two figures it's more customary to present them in the same units:

747-400LR range: 14000 km
388 range: 15000 km.

 
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RE: Market For A380 And 747-400

Wed Nov 28, 2001 12:54 am

A agree with Dataman340. The 777 will eventually take a lot of the market share that used to belong to the 747. I'm not that sure the A346 will, though.
 
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RE: Market For A380 And 747-400

Wed Nov 28, 2001 1:00 am

I think that airlines would rather buy the A380 than the 744. One reason is that the 744's design is 30 years old! (airlines like having the newest plane possible) And also, the A380 has much lower seat per mile costs than the 744.

Well, thats just my view
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RE: Market For A380 And 747-400

Wed Nov 28, 2001 1:24 am

Actually, the 11% of the reduced seat mile cost is attributed to the increased seating. The remaining 6-7% is from improvements in the structures, systems, etc....
I actually was expecting a little more. It appears that the older technology, while dated, still holds up fairly well....