baec777
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Air New Zealand...

Mon Nov 26, 2001 4:55 am

Did anyone seen this marvelous 744 livery from the rear.... very shiny i mean SHINY !!!!!!! NZ744 departing Sydney Kingford Apt. during sunset..  Smile

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Kiwi dave
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Mon Nov 26, 2001 5:43 am

see that livery all the time, way nicer than their old livery.
 
NZ767
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Mon Nov 26, 2001 7:56 am

Don't get the 747s where I am, only 737s. :,-):,-)
 
baec777
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Mon Nov 26, 2001 8:43 am

NZ767 ...

why ya being so funny... hehehe

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NZ767
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Mon Nov 26, 2001 9:09 am

Damn, my faces didn't work. Embarrassment
 
rwy31r
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Mon Nov 26, 2001 9:14 am

You Kiwis have a great looking 744!  Wow!
I loved spotting it at LAX and LHR.

Regards
"Saudia Three Five hold short Three One Right"
 
Kiwi dave
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Mon Nov 26, 2001 9:34 am

Would be nice to see it more often at CHC
 
airnewzealand
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Mon Nov 26, 2001 5:06 pm

Thanks!
I really am proud of NZ...Great Service, Livery, Everything is great, though Cities is a lacking thing, and PTV's!!

I am glad to live in New Zealand, as everything about us is great!

Love ya AirNZ, and may ya live forever!!

Cheers
mikey

PS...I live in AKL...I see them all the time!!  Smile
 
Dasa
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Mon Nov 26, 2001 5:39 pm

F27 again with your anti-AirNZ sentiments.......
 
Kiwi dave
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Mon Nov 26, 2001 7:36 pm

even though I don't get to see Air New Zealand 747's all that often they are still kick-arse, as is the livery on most Air New Zealand fleet.
 
trentis
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Mon Nov 26, 2001 8:59 pm

Although I hate what they did to our beloved Ansett, I flew with Air New Zealand to Europe and loved every second of it (except the transit in LAX). Great livery, service, food. Even got upgraded to biz class LAX-AKL. Simply amazing. (Doubt I'll ever willfully fly them again though).
 
LostXistance
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Mon Nov 26, 2001 9:04 pm

Yeah i agree with u above, i am planning on flying to the UK in about a months time and wanna fly with a star partner, and looks like it will be Air Nz! although i feel asthough iam betraying ansett hehe which i love sooooo much  Smile
 
Skystar
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Mon Nov 26, 2001 9:30 pm

I'm sorry, but when faced with a choice between QF and NZ, NZ wins hands down.

I hope people such as Cushing are no longer at NZ - Toomey had to take the public flak for what were really board room and external factors.

Cheers,

Justin
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Mon Nov 26, 2001 11:07 pm

Interesting repost from Going Boeing on PPruNe:

There has been a massive oversupply of seats on the Tasman for a long time. In early 2000, Air NZ brought out a new schedule which dramatically increased the frequency of flights between NZ and Aust. Of course, Qantas wasn't prepared to let Air NZ grab a bigger slice of the market so they matched the frequency - the result - too many seats. An example of the effect of this oversupply is in the month of November 2000, Air NZ lost approx A$10 million on their trans Tasman flights (slightly more than what Qantas lost). This oversupply will probably continue until airline reserves dwindle to the stage that one of the protagonists cries "Uncle" and starts reducing the number of available seats - no prizes for guessing who makes the first move.
GB

 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Tue Nov 27, 2001 1:00 am

I would love it if they came to Melbourne a bit more often. I have seen one Air New Zealand 747 here in the past year. Damn those 767 and 737's! It is a great livery too.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Tue Nov 27, 2001 5:49 am

That picture on the top of the post looks more like MARS-AUK. Great picture, not my favourite airline and most definitley not my favourite management.

Even though I've been publicly swaying from Qantas lately, never will I turn to NZ, what they did was unforgiveable and I think that we are sending a message that the collapse of Ansett was ok by flying with them. They are now on my list of things to boycott.

I've had my two cents.

q(maybe not)forever
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Tue Nov 27, 2001 6:58 am


 Insane
 
airnewzealand
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Tue Nov 27, 2001 7:33 am

Just to remind you, The AN people have forgiven AirNZ, and the sooner you get over yourselfs the sooner you guys will make AirNZ and AN survive!! AN needs AirNZ, and AirNZ needs AN!! Dont you see that??
I know it was Worst than bad of what AirNZ did, but for the sake of AN....Travel both Airlines!!

Cheers
mikey
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Tue Nov 27, 2001 9:10 am

It's nice to read that people are so "unbiased" in their views of NZ. I don't have any cultural alliances here, so I'm going to give my unsolicited two cents worth. Air New Zealand had no more to do with the collapse of Ansett than I did. Okay, maybe they prolonged the agony a little, but Ansett was well on it's way to the history books when News Corp. sold its remaining interest to Air New Zealand. The only thing NZ is guilty of is getting into a pissing match with SIA and overpaying for the remaining 50%. I am sad to see the demise of Ansett and the loss of jobs for thousands of employees...but misdirected anger will not bring it back.

I'm speaking from experience. I worked at Eastern Airlines when it went into bankruptcy in the late 80s. We could have blamed Jimmy Carter for signing the Airline Deregulation Act into law; we could have blamed Delta Air Lines for exploiting a weakend Eastern at the Atlanta hub; and we could have blamed Frank Lorenzo and Texas Air (admittedly, many did) for gutting the company of its most valuable assets. But it really came down to YEARS of mismanagement, animosity between work groups within Eastern, and some really bad business decisions.

Like it or not, I think the same is true of Ansett. Again, my two cents.

Picarus
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Tue Nov 27, 2001 9:13 am

Well,

NZ's only flying two 762s daily to MEL nowadays - a halved schedule.

Cheers,

Justin
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Tue Nov 27, 2001 9:33 am

AirNewZealand I don't think that F27 will understand as that person really hates Air NZ
 
NZ767
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Tue Nov 27, 2001 9:34 am

Good post Picarus.

Like I said before in another post, for a backgrounder into the Ansett collapse, read the October issue of Australian Aviation.

They looked at the WHOLE situation that led to this, even pre-Air NZ.

Or would that be too unbiased a view for some here?

And again, if Qantas via the Aussie Govt had kept their noses out when SQ wanted to increase their stake in NZ, this may never have happened.

But no, far easier to blame it ALL on Air NZ!

Mike (WLG)
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Tue Nov 27, 2001 9:41 am

Yes,
AirNZ have reduced services to Australia Dramatically. Only 1x flight to BNE per day from AKL now, and other flights to SYD have been decreased from 5-3, with two being used as 733....something along those lines anyway!
Ill find out for you...
Sorry info above may not be correct, though i know that AirNZ has declined the Aussie frequency alot!

Cheers
mikey

PS: Kiwidave, i think we can safely say that F27 will always have a 'grudge' against NZ. Im sure if he does have a grudge, he will never be reappointed by AN as they are going through Interviews again!!
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Tue Nov 27, 2001 10:07 am

NZ now flys
AKL-SYD 3x daily 767's was 4
AKL-MEL 2x daily 762's + codeshare daily with UA 744
AKL-BNE 8x weekly 7x 762's 1x 744 was 2x daily
AKL-PER now 4x weekly was 3x

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NZ767
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Tue Nov 27, 2001 11:10 am

NBT,

Plus the AKL-SYD-LAX 744s ?

Mike
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Tue Nov 27, 2001 12:21 pm

The SYD-LAX services start with a 767 in AKL and change plane in SYD, aircraft operates NZ101 NZ14 is I think a codeshare.
Now that the SYD-LAX service isn't daily I wonder if the 744 will originate in AKL going through SYD to LAX?

Scott.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Tue Nov 27, 2001 12:29 pm

Thanks NBT.
Wasn't aware of that.

Mike (WLG)
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Tue Nov 27, 2001 4:40 pm

I suspect the cutting of services between Auckland and Brisbane was due to the fact that this is mainly a tourist route, with low yields. I'm only guessing, but it seems to make sense, especially considering the service Freedom Air is now providing between AKL and the Gold Coast.

It seems a pity because I honestly thought they would re-establish the BNE hub of the early 1990s, for flights to Asia (like Seoul, Taiwan and maybe China). Maybe that's a longer term strategy, and perhaps they'll be waiting for an internal feeder service (Ansett MKII).

But of course NZ's priority must be to get itself back on its feet again.

Hey, what does everyone think about reintroducing the "Pride of the Pacific" slogan again? I think its much better than the current one (something about a 'warm welcome' I think).
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Tue Nov 27, 2001 5:50 pm

This post is very one eyed. Air New Zealand i will be reappointed into the new Ansett. Air New Zealand should never have been allowed to own Ansett 100% in the first place
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Tue Nov 27, 2001 6:03 pm

F27 how do you come to that reasoning
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Tue Nov 27, 2001 7:01 pm

You have a look at most of the replies they are all kiwis who cannot see past the nose and as soon as anyone says anthing about the precious NZ airline thing here get deleted. I know what went on when Ansett was closed own as i was there like 16,000 other Australians how would you all feel if Qantas came in and burnt ANZ over. It would be on the other foot and you all would not like it. Air New Zealand is not and never will be my favourite airline. I think ti will be the other way that ANZ will need Ansett not Ansett needs ANZ.We have seen all the hurt that your beloved airline has done.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Tue Nov 27, 2001 7:33 pm

I'd rather see the B744 in ANSETT AUSTRALIA livery thanks!

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RE: Air New Zealand...

Tue Nov 27, 2001 8:04 pm

This post is very one eyed. Air New Zealand i will be reappointed into the new Ansett.

Actually, as of the 19th November, NZ/AN entered into a commercial agreement in which we promote each other's services and oncarriage (ie we can sell an AKL-ADL through fare - AKL-MEL/SYD on NZ, and on to ADL with AN).

If you'll check out AN's website, you'll see the link to Air NZ.

Some checking of facts is perhaps required here.
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Wed Nov 28, 2001 4:56 am

firstly...F27 get over it......
secondly...i prefer "the pride of the pacific"....than "the worlds warmest welcome"....
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Wed Nov 28, 2001 5:08 am

F27..........got over yourself...and we are not all Kiwis either. Don't blame ANZ for AN's collapse...the airline had been in a mess for years. You read the lates issue of 'Australian Aviation' and how the mis of a/c also contributed to their woes not to mention their labour costs.

Blaming "The Pride of the Pacific' is just the easy way out F27!!!!!!

Brent
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ATTN: AirNewZealand

Wed Nov 28, 2001 5:48 am

Hey,
Did you ever take pictures of ANZ 744 coach pictures for me? If they come it to maintance, please take pictures.

Travis

(This message was not intended to sound rude, or pushy)
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Wed Nov 28, 2001 5:56 am

I think that AN was in bad state when ANZ took ownership. I think that ANZ did a poor job of running AN because I believe that in the hands of another airline (e.g:Singapore) AN would have survived. I'm not focusing all my blame on ANZ, but I think they are largely responsible for Ansetts demise. I also find that rediculous statement that "qantas should have kept their nose out and let SQ buy a part of ANZ" (or something to that effect) rediculous. It seems to me that when it comes to Ansett and ANZ many people here believe that normal business (and I highlight the word business) practice seems evil and unjustified. The airlines are there to make money and not friends. They provide a service, people pay for it and we get on with our lives. So If one day Singapore Airlines decides to perhaps buy Qantas, so be it. If SQ make money out of it and provide a good service good luck to them.

This is business people, not "the days of our lives".

q(maybe not)forever

p.s: I still wont fly ANZ because of a certain 16,000 people though and the fact that I dont like the service.
Fighting for the glory of the Australian Republic.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Wed Nov 28, 2001 6:02 am

Hey, Just to tell ya, NZ103/104 was the flight to SYD cut, It used to depart at 0900, and arrive in SYD at 1030, departing SYD for AKL at 1200 and arriving at 1700.
The route used to be operated with a 744 and 767-200/300.

Cheers
mikey

PS: Glad to hear you have been reappointed, and dont put words into my mouth, i have not been one sided. I admtted that what AirNZ did was wrong!
Mikey...Best of luck.

Oh and, I donot think AirNZ should go back to the other name, i think we sound more "world-wide" with "Air New Zealand: The worlds Warmest Welcome!!", than "Pride of the Pacific!!"

My 2c!
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Wed Nov 28, 2001 8:32 am

I love shooting the Air New Zeland 747s at LAX. I love the tail artwork.

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RE: Air New Zealand...

Wed Nov 28, 2001 9:24 am

F27,

If QF came in and bought NZ and did to them what NZ did to AN, then yeah, of course I'd be mad at QF.
But on the other hand, I'd look at the role that everyone else involved had to play in the matter as well;
Governments, regulatory authorities, other airlines etc.
I certainly wouldn't blame the staff of QF for the actions of its board of directors.
And I certainly wouldn't let the issue rule my life as you seem to be doing.............Geez, you must be one sour dude at a party.

And QANTASforever,

I don't think my statement about QF sticking their nose into the issue is ridiculous at all.
Without going into detail, this simply delayed our Governments decision on whether or not to let SQ take the greater stake; the Govt was taking its time as it was.
Shades of their partner BA (versus Branson) here.

As for "business", it's not good practice for an employer to just dump 16000 of their staff, wash their hands and just walk away.
But geez, don't blame Air NZs staff for this; they don't get paid Jim Farmers or Selwyn Cushings salaries.

As I said before, read Aussie Aviations October issue; an unbiased view from an AUSSIE publication.

Mike (WLG)
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Wed Nov 28, 2001 10:04 am

Hey guys,

Time for some NZ'ers to eat some humble pie I think. NZ did a shocking job with AN - it is so plainly obvious.

Not to mention the NZ part of AN / NZ was losing nearly as much money from the balance sheet reports that went out.

The real culprits are varied but most of the blame can lay squarley on the NZ board and management.

I have no grudge on the wonderful people who work at NZ - but many people in oz still do. I have it on good knowledge that some travel agents will not recommend NZ flights and only book them if asked to.

AN will have to be alighned with NZ because of STAR anyway. So the relationship will need to be good. Let's hope the governments rescue package will help NZ stay in the air and provide jobs for thousands of Kiwis.

Cheers,

mb
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Wed Nov 28, 2001 12:03 pm

If that's true, travel agents are being dishonest with their customers if they are not offering them all the options.

Of course, if they're offering QF flights in preference to NZ, that's fair enough - I know of many agents in NZ who offer NZ in preference to QF - just a patriotic thing.

But let's say someone wants to fly MEL-AKL on the 10th of December and no seats on QF are available - if the agent doesn't offer them NZ flights if there are seats available, that is despicable practice and penalising the Australian public, who are already struggling with increased prices by QF as a result of AN going under.

Way to go guys..

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RE: Air New Zealand...

Wed Nov 28, 2001 12:35 pm


How can you ANZ fans be so rude as to tell AN staff to just "get over it". It is now 73 days since I, and many of my former collegue's, have seen any money. And whilst we sit here wondering, most of the rats that deserted the sinking ship are sitting in NZ as if nothing happened. It is very easy to make off the cuff comments when you are not experiencing the hardship, so just have think about it before you type it.

It is an insult to us as Ansett (or former Ansett now)workers, it is an insult to our country, and it is disgusting how senior NZ executives have been allowed to get away with it.

I did not read the article that was refered to, but as it was produced by a journalist I suspect that many parts are made up, total crap or just missing.

Granted, Ansett had been mismanaged at a parental company level for many a decade. Bad and numerous fleet choices, not reinvesting funds, poor handling of workplace wage agreements, etc.... all stemmed from the way Murdoc and, in particular, Ables ran the place. But I wonder if they mentioned how mis-management became an over-required word once ANZ took over.

Some of the following are obvious, but others may not have been mentioned.

- ANZ paid way over the price for AN for reasons that could only be described as greed or plain stupidity.

Why?

- ANZ made this purchase on 100% credit because they did not have the cash (remember, they were buying an airline that needed a lot of money spent on it.)

- ANZ replaced the top 3 layers of AN management with their own people - people that did not know the Australian market or even how to operate in a competitive environment. Also, the AN managers they replaced were the ones that help get the AN company into a strong trading position only a couple of years earlier.

- ANZ blocked AN from operating SYD-LAX at board level when they owned 50% of AN. This was done because they were "concerned with the impact it was going to have on NZ SYD-LAX service". Not only would AN have acheived greater market share than NZ ever could on this market, but it would have put AN in a position where they had hedged income from US travellers when the AU$ fell. It would also have allowed AN to maintain many corporate accounts that were lost due to having no real international business destinations.

- ANZ blocked a fleet renewal program for AN when AN still had enough equity to roll over some old aircraft. The first aircraft to be rolled over where the B767-200's - well before their first grounding.

- All strategic decisions for AN were made by the NZ executives, without analysis or input from all if any AN divisions. This included increasing fleet numbers when the market had been already flooded with capacity, loading the BNE-SYD-MEL markets with capacity that should have been allocated to the more profitable and less flown markets (such as SYD/MEL-PER, ADL-BNE, BNE-TSV, MEL/PER-DRW, MEL/SYD-CNS, etc..). It was basically a pissing competition that Twomey was holding on a personal level against QF.

- ANZ management treated all AN staff like second class citizens behind the NZ staff, a point that destroyed the morale of what was once a tight family of workers. As a service industry, and with AN having most of the workforce, this was a fatal and ignorant act by NZ.

- SQ made an offer to purchase up to 80% of AN and 49% of AN international when the NZ backs were to the wall. This was to help fund a fleet renewal program and save AN from going under. SQ offered the condition that NZ maintain full control of the AN/NZ group, but Twomey went to the Board refusing to head a group that was not owned by the group. It was subsequently and obviously blocked.

The list goes on and on. For the staff at AN, we could see what the airline needed to survive, but were not listened to by ANZ management. Twomey and his batch of executives had agendas that only they were going to action, regardless of the potential outcome.

They played with an airline that had a chequered past from an ownership perspective, but a great potential going forward. It had great staff, good facilities, an established brand in Australia and growing stature in the world market through it's STAR membership.

Unfortunately they broke their new toy instead of repairing it when the cracks were small, and threw it in the bin like a spoilt child. For that reason, I will never forgive or forget.

B727-200.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Wed Nov 28, 2001 2:42 pm

B727-200

What an excellent post describing what happened,
Yes, people forget about the human misery that
has occured and try not to think about it, I too
will never fly AirNZ and will continue to remind
people of what this dire outfit has done.

Wirraway
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Wed Nov 28, 2001 3:16 pm

 Insane
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F27
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Wed Nov 28, 2001 5:04 pm

Well spoken 727-200. As i said the truth hurts home. I will never forget and never forgive what they have placed my family thru the last 10 weeks. While they all sit in their offices and pick up the pay each week.
 
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RE: TG992

Wed Nov 28, 2001 5:13 pm

Where is your proof of increased QF prices since Ansett ceased trading?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Wed Nov 28, 2001 5:23 pm

B727-200,

If it's any consolation to you guys I have always spread the good word on AN and although my posts mean nothing in the pay packet for you at least I can recognise a world class group of people who always made my flights the best.

As difficult as everything is at the moment I certainly hope that the ressurected AN prospers and grows to provide employment to many ex AN'ers but also provides again the outstanding service it once did.

It does disgust me the way some of our Kiwi pals have even gone so far as to blame AN for NZ's troubles which is ludicrous and insulting to the wonderful staff of AN.

The anger is still very much there and no-one accross the Tasman should dare dispute what moronic NZ management has done to a once great and substantial airline with many business units.

As I have said a few times before we shouldn't lay rage at our Kiwi friends who are coal face workers at NZ. It was not them who did this awful deed.

And as unpalatable as it is, NZ needs AN and any interline agreement between the two airlines can be mutually beneficial for both - even if it is doing a deal with the devil itself.

The anger and dismay will remain for a long time, especially with frustrated AN workers who have given their lives and best to the airline and now have not much of a future.

Let our AN guys have a go, the heartache and finacial distress many are facing is inexcusible and was completely unecessary.

Good luck to all the AN staff on this board with applications to Tesna.

Cheers,

mb
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Wed Nov 28, 2001 5:42 pm

Yeah, thats a good post 727-200.
But was it Air NZs fault 100%? I MEAN 100%?
Nah, I don't think so!

In my opinion, as a union rep, Air NZs staff, service and ops? Excellent!
Their management? Yeah, they suck big time for what they did. I for one don't deny or condone that.

But hey, tell it to the Board of Directors. You're telling it to the staff on here instead and they've got no more control over their managements' decisions as you did when you were under them.

Maybe someone could send them a quick note to look at this site.

Mike.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand...

Thu Nov 29, 2001 7:09 am


NZ767,

No, it was not 100% NZ's fault, as they came to an airline that was in need of repair. But NZ had many chances to reserect the airline through partnerships with SQ, or just smarter management. It is the fact that they played the final act, and did so with such disregard for what damage they caused.

I firmly believe that if NZ had not taken their pre-emptive rights to acquire the remaining 50% of AN, and let SQ buy into it, the situation would have been different. I am not saying that it would have been any sweeter for the staff of AN, as I think SQ would have reduced staff levels and fleet types dramatically. The difference is that people would have left the company with the moneys and travel rewards they deserve for so many years of dedicated service.

And I do not hold any personal grudges against the NZ workers, as some of them are in as bad a position as us AN staff. Those who were pursuaded to come accross from NZ to work in the AN offices may have lost everything they owned and worked for.

Thanks to those who understand.

B727-200.

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