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Regional Jets In Asia; Will They Catch On

Mon Nov 26, 2001 6:23 am

How many Asian airlines operate RJ's, will the majors get them in the future? is there potential for them in Asia including the Middle East Confused

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RE: Regional Jets In Asia; Will They Catch On

Mon Nov 26, 2001 6:35 am

There is quite a huge potential market, especially in China and India. Today´s operators in South-East Asia and India include:

Hainan Airlines
China Yunnan Airlines
Shandong Airlines
J-Air
Fair
Druk Air

Here are the current order rumours. The date behind the rumour shows when it appeard.

Air Mandalay talks to Embraer about the possible introduction of regional jets. Updated [29-Jun-00]

China Eastern Airlines is likely to order 15+5 CRJ200 and 5+5 CRJ700 to build up a regional network. Updated [13-Jan-01]

China Southern has signed a preliminary contract for 20+10 ERJ-145. Government approval is awaited. Updated [1-Nov-01]

Dragonair will launch regional jet services late 2001 or early 2002. The initial fleet will be small and to date no type has been choosen. Updated [26-May-01]

Hainan Airlines is awaiting governmental approval for an order of 21 328JET. The carrier is interested into 50- and 70-seat regional jets, too. Updated [20-Nov-01]

Indian Airlines is reported to be looking on the ATR 72-500 and may place an order for 6 firm plus 6 options. Updated [1-May-00]

Jet Airways, India, considers an order for 25-30 regional jets from 30-70 seats. Bombardier, Embraer and Fairchild compete for this order. An announcement was expected for March 2001m has been deferred into 2002. Updated [20-Jun-00]

Mandarin Airlines is interested in the ERJ-170 to replace F100s. Updated [1-Oct-01]

Malaysian Air System has been approached by Embraer about a possible order of RJs. Updated [1-Nov-01]

Pelangi Air has been approached by Embraer about a possible order of RJs. Updated [1-Nov-01]

Sichuan Airlines is evaluating the introduction of the ERJ-135. They are awaiting approval for 10 additional ERJ-145. Updated [13-Jan-01]

Tune Air has been approached by Embraer about a possible order of RJs. Updated [1-Nov-01]

To look up the other rumours you might visit this site:
http://fly.to/rorders

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RE: Regional Jets In Asia; Will They Catch On

Mon Nov 26, 2001 6:47 am

You missed out on the following;

Uzbekistan Airways
Turkish Airlines
Palestinian Airlines

also the ATR is not a jet aircraft, any scope for RJ's in the ME region Confused
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RE: Regional Jets In Asia; Will They Catch On

Mon Nov 26, 2001 1:46 pm

Indeed - Malaysia Airlines has the Embraer RJ-series under consideration (well it did until recently) and Embraer has reapproched the new management with another look to entice.

I reckon the RJ series would fit in perfectly with MAS' new concept as a regional main-player and the smaller passenger loads may be suitably timed given the recent events. I can't imagine MAS operating too many 737s on thinner regional routes like Sumatra, Kalimantan, etc - many destinations of which are currently on the drawing board to increase its regional presence.
 
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RE: Regional Jets In Asia; Will They Catch On

Mon Nov 26, 2001 2:04 pm

I'm sure they'll. However, I'm not sure whether they'll be happy about buying all their RJ needs from abroad. China, with much ambition, will surely want to produce their own type.
 
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RE: Regional Jets In Asia; Will They Catch On

Mon Nov 26, 2001 5:14 pm

I appologize for having added the ATR 72. I had just copied the paragraph. More regional carriers operating in Asia:

China United 5 CRJ200
China Yunnan 6 CRJ200
Fair CRJ200
J-Air CRJ200
Shandong Airlines CRJ200/700
Shanghai Airlines CRJ200
Palestinean CRJ200

Sichuan Airlines ERJ145
China Southern Airlines ERJ-145 (not confirmed)

Hainan Airlines 328JET (add-on not confirmed)

Vietnam Airlines F70
Mandarin AIrlines F100

Fokker F28 not included.
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RE: Regional Jets In Asia; Will They Catch On

Mon Nov 26, 2001 7:03 pm

While 9W is already operating ATR72-500's to select offline destinations, IC is also considering introducing the smaller ATR42 to serve the north-east and select commuter markets like VAD, PNQ and RAJ.

But these arent RJ's but fast props with "Jet like comfort" as 9W has been boasting.

I dont foresee a large market for RJ's in India. 9W did consider the CRJ500's at one time since they would fit in better with 9W's all-737 fleet in terms of Block speed etc. But the economics apparently didnt work out.

Also the reason 9W chose the ATR series (and why IC may go in for the same) is that the ATR42/72 series is to be manufactured locally at HAL's Bangalore plant to meet the huge Hindustan HS748 replacement demand.

The cost of these should go down once local manufacture begins, and availability of spare parts etc will also improve. Thus i see a lot of operators in Asia choosing the ATR series simply because they are much cheaper to operate and the newer series of -500's are a far cry from the older noisy turboprops.
 
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RE: Regional Jets In Asia; Will They Catch On

Mon Nov 26, 2001 9:00 pm

A few airlines in Indonesia are interested in regional jets, but so far only CRJ700 is on the cards. The main concern is runway limitations of the destinations that are ideal for their use. Several local governments have been in discussion regarding development of small jet service to boost business, but any fruitition will be a couple of years away.

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RE: Regional Jets In Asia; Will They Catch On

Mon Nov 26, 2001 9:21 pm

One add-on to Hainan Airlines: most of their 328JET are operated by Changan Airlines (which is intersted in getting rid of their Dash 8-400) and Shanxi Airlines (8/5).

Mandala, which are the airlines which consider the CRJ700?

About China and local manufacturing of RJs: Bombardier, Embraer and Fairchild DOrneir all have plans to build at least parts of their RJs in China. FD has already an agreement with Harbin which will produce parts of the 328JET´s wing. Their are currently in discussions with Hainan Airlines and AVIC II about the possibility of producing the 528JET 55-65 seat RJ in China.

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RE: Regional Jets In Asia; Will They Catch On

Mon Nov 26, 2001 9:27 pm

F-T,
formally... NONE!
Bombardier is trying to sell the Dash8Q400 here instead. Merpati, Kartika and several startups waiting to start have mentioned it before, but nothing formal as yet.

I suspect CRJ700 users in the end will be unknown startups such as "Riau Air" (owned by Riau provincial government), but upgrading 732 fleets is what's on everyone's mind at the moment.

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RE: Regional Jets In Asia; Will They Catch On

Mon Nov 26, 2001 9:31 pm

Is Dragonair still going to launch regional jet service after 9-11???

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RE: Regional Jets In Asia; Will They Catch On

Mon Nov 26, 2001 10:31 pm

Mandala, I suppose you´re right. A CRJ700 should be as profitable as an old B737-200 and soon a number will appear on the leasing market (via GECAS). However the cargo capacity is a bit limited. From 2003 onwards the Embraer 170 and the 728JET could be an option as they have a larger cargo capability.

Is the Dash 8-Q400 intended as a Fokker F28 replacement or will they likely be used for expanding operations?

About Dragonair I´m not sure. Haven´t heardanything about their plans lately. My guess is that they will wait one or two years until the Embraer 170 and 728JET are aviable which offer roughly the same level of comfort compared to the A32X family.

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RE: Regional Jets In Asia; Will They Catch On

Thu Nov 29, 2001 11:24 pm

Werent there some Chinese carriers operating the BAe 146 as well Confused
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RE: Regional Jets In Asia; Will They Catch On

Fri Nov 30, 2001 12:55 am

Air China and China Northwest have BAe146's.

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