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747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 2:45 am

Ok, I know that 747 300's serve SXM regularly and that runway is about 7000 feet long. Does this mean that a 747 300 or 747 400 could land and take off from LGA safely? With the elevation and temp, etc. there can they operate there? (I know they wouldn't but is it possible) What about 747 200's? And if it could not, what is the biggest plane that can operate in and out of LGA safely. I know TWA used to fly L1011's in and out and Delta did until a year or two ago. What about 777's or A330's etc. Also does anyone know what the biggest plane to ever land there was?
 
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RE: 747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 2:48 am

It can...but safely?
 
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RE: 747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 2:51 am

At least @ SXM you have some land at the end to spare. LGA's runways are just like long diving boards !

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RE: 747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 2:55 am

LGA has runways built on landfill with the ends of 31 and 4 being built on piers. I think that a 747 could land there but not taxi due to the damage it would do to the runways and taxiways. The L1011's that DAL used to fly there were limited to certain weights due to the piers.
 
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RE: 747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 2:59 am

Even MD-80's had weight restrictions for a while !

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RE: 747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 3:00 am

The biggest plane you will see now is aDL 767-200 or 300. But I've seen L-1011s land there and the 767-400 canland there with reduced weight. CanDCA handle anything biggger than a 757 or is it the same as LGA? I've seen a 757-200 but what about bigger planes like the 777? With 9-11 the biggest you'll see is Alaska's cramped 737-900.
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RE: 747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 3:14 am

I personally flew out of LGA and on a TWA L1011 a few years back.

A week ago, I saw a Delta 767-300 parked at the gate at LGA.
 
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RE: 747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 3:16 am

I flew AA DC-10-10 DFW-LGA years ago

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RE: 747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 3:22 am

I know that an AN-124 landed there last year
with a spare tail for the AC A320 that was damaged.
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RE: 747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 3:56 am

Even I'm skeptical that an AN-124 landed at LGA.
 
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RE: 747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 4:43 am

I was too, until I saw the picture. The aircraft was
parked over by the Delta Shuttle terminal...
If you do a search...I believe it was a subject
of discussion on Airliners.net...
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RE: 747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 5:12 am

Despite its size and weight, it is entirely possible that an An-124 could have landed at LGA. Most CIS (Antonov is Ukrainian) cargo planes and Soviet passenger jets have more wheels than would have been found on their Western counterparts, because of the many unprepared (unpaved) runways throughout the former Soviet Union.

Weight distribution (the pressure each tire generates on the pavement) is of greater concern at an airfield like LGA than simple weight. The spacing of the undercarriage legs on the TriStar was such that it generated less pressure on the pavement than the lighter Airbus A300. That is why L-1011s (Eastern and TWA) were regular visitors at LGA, while the smaller A300 (Eastern) could not land fully loaded until the main runway at LGA was reinforced.

The Boeing 747 was never a regular visotor at LGA, but with its 18-wheel undercarriage, perhaps (I'm not an expert here) the pressure the Jumbo generated was less than or equal to that of the aforementioned trijets.
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RE: 747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 5:27 am

.. and don't forget that most of the 747's at SXM have come all the way from Europe, and so they're low on fuel, meaning that they won't require as much runway. Also, when they depart, I know that KLM flies via Curacao (where the runway is longer), and so they can depart with low fuel. As for Air France, I'm not sure where they stop. Anyone?

.. and since New York is a bit more popular than St. Martin, I doubt that people going through and from LGA will have the patience to fly to a nearby airport for a fuel stop.
 
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RE: 747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 5:44 am

Regarding DCA: The airport has always been restricted to narrowbody operations for NIMBY reasons. But jumbos have landed there. I've seen pictures of an Eastern A300 landing there in the late 1970's, probably an experiment.

In 1998, I think it was, a United DC-10 bound for BWI landed at DCA after running low on fuel. There was bad weather over BWI, and after circling awhile the fuel ran low. There were pictures of the plane in the Washington Post, parked in front of the old DCA 1940's terminal. I wasn't able to get down to the airport and take pictures, but the Post's shot got into the AP wire. I've seen it as a file photo in subsequent unrelated news stories.

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RE: 747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 7:54 am

afaik, LGA is not prepared to handle aircraft of a wingspan such as the A330s/340s and 777s regularly.
they obivously could land but their massive wingspan would cause major problems at gate positions, turning points and taxiways and thus would interfere with the on-going traffic at LGA. that´s why they may not operate to LGA.
there are exceptions to the rule, as the example of the An-124 shows.

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RE: 747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 10:09 am

What are the dimensions of LGA's runways? What planes can fly fully loaded from there, especially on a hot summer day?
 
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RE: 747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 10:24 am

Runway 4/22

Dimensions: 7000 x 150 ft. / 2134 x 46 m

Surface: asphalt/concrete/grooved, in good condition

Weight limitations: Single wheel: 80000 lbs
Double wheel: 170000 lbs
Double tandem: 360000 lbs


Runway 13/31

Dimensions: 7000 x 150 ft. / 2134 x 46 m

Surface: asphalt/concrete/grooved, in good condition

Weight limitations: Single wheel: 80000 lbs
Double wheel: 170000 lbs
Double tandem: 360000 lbs

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RE: 747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 11:43 am

The biggest jets to operate at LaGuardia included:

DC10 (American Airlines)
A300 (Eastern)
L1011 (TWA, Delta)
767-200/300 (Delta, TWA, United, American)
767-400 (Delta to Fort Lauderdale)

I doubt a 747 could land safely at LaGuardia. The runways are short and there is a lot of residential space around them and no room for runoff for such a huge jet.

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RE: 747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 11:47 am

Earlier this year, a Beluga was in LGA. It was there to transport a part for a damaged plane.
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CPH-R

Tue Nov 27, 2001 12:35 pm

The 747-300 that flies out of SXM for Europe makes a fuel stop in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic (SDQ) where the runway is 11,002' long - enough to accomodate a good fuel load.


 
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RE: 747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 12:43 pm

The TriStar and DC10 were specifically built to fly from LGA. It was a key requirement in the briefing AA et al circulated in the mid/late 60s when they asked the manufacturers to build a domestic widebody airliner.

The 747 puts less weight on each tyre than the 707, I know that much. Not that 707s ever flew from LGA (maybe 720s? never heard of it though). But I think you'd have no problem getting a 747 in and out of there, the problem would be taxiing and parking.

Love to know more about the DC10 at DCA.
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Beluga

Tue Nov 27, 2001 12:58 pm

Actually, you might want to add the Beluga SuperTransporter to that list, it made a visit to LGA back a few months ago to deliver a new horizontal stabilizer to a stranded AC A319.

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RE: 747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 1:12 pm

Yes, but would you really, really want to land there if you were a 747 pilot?

Would you really want to be a passenger on that plane? Talk about whiplash...

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RE: 747 At LGA

Tue Nov 27, 2001 7:02 pm

I live right under the final landing pattern at LGA - if I saw or heard a 747 flying over my house, I think I'd have a heart attack! (Especially so soon after AA587.)

I have never even seen a 767 land here, though I know from others in this group that they do (I must just never be watching when they're scheduled to come in). A 747 should be able to land in an emergency, but I sure wouldn't want to be on that plane (or under it).
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RE: 747 At LGA

Wed Nov 28, 2001 2:17 am

I have flown AA DC-10's,DL L-1011's,B767-200's & -300's and EA A-300's from LGA. I think that the runways are not strong enough to handle 747's.
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RE: 747 At LGA

Wed Nov 28, 2001 2:50 am

The runways would probably be able to take the weight, since the domestic DC10 (the -10) has ten wheels and the 747 has eighteen. So the weight on the runway of a 747 would be quite a bit less than a DC10. And DC10s used to go in there all the time. The only flights I've been on to for from LGA have been Delta TriStars.
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RE: 747 At LGA

Wed Nov 28, 2001 3:22 am

Where can I find the picture of the 747 at LGA?
 
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RE: 747 At LGA

Wed Nov 28, 2001 3:28 am

I don't think a 747 has ever landed there.
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RE: 747 At LGA

Wed Nov 28, 2001 2:33 pm

No 707's, DC-8's, 720's or CV-880's or 990's ever were operated from LGA. The first jet service was in 1964 with 727-100's. I saw a UA Caravelle take off from there in May of 1964, but I very much doubt a 747 has ever landed there.

United operated DC-10's from LGA to ORD on a regular basis in the 70's, and AA inaugerated DC-10 service to LGA from ORD in 1971, (my first DC-10 flight complete with the large coach lounge and bar in the back)
 
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RE: 747 At LGA

Wed Nov 28, 2001 6:13 pm

speaking of weight and NYC area airports, what was the debate few years ago about BBJs at Teterboro in suburban New Jersey. I think the PANYNJ didn't want them because they weighed too much for the airport. Is that possible?
 
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RE: 747 At LGA

Thu Nov 29, 2001 12:51 pm

747's can land their I am sure, tristars and DC-10's can at a much lighter weights. Hell Tristars and DC-10's in alot of cases use as much distance or more landing as 747's landing anyway, I have witnessed it lots of times. I would sure hate too see any of the mentioned attempt a MGTOW their even though we know it will or has never occured.
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RE: 747 At LGA

Thu Nov 29, 2001 1:57 pm

Severely doubt a 747 could make it to LGA (if it lands, I doubt it could take-off) due to weight problems.

Yes, DC-10's, Tristars and A300's all flew into LGA regurarly in the past (can anyone say for sure these flights were weight restricted- I doubt it), but many years ago the Port Authority of NY/NJ (operator of LGA) sued EA for using A300's due to the damage they caused. Although A300's are lighter than DC-10's and Tristars, the problem centered on the Airbus' weight distribution and taxiway damage. Don't know if the suit was settled out of court- anyone know?
 
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RE: 747 At LGA

Thu Nov 29, 2001 5:59 pm

I know for sure ETA I use to work for DL, most of the Tristar flts were to Florida and very lightly loaded. A heavy 1011 or DC-10 in no way shape or form takeoff at LGA
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