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MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 7:30 pm

Getting reports that an MK Airlines Boeing 747 freighter has crashed in Port Harcourt - any further news out there?
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 7:33 pm

I have no information regarding this crash but am interested if anyone else does.....thanks!
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 7:56 pm

One of their 747s should be currently in flight between NBO and ATH, as flight MKA108.
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 8:11 pm

More information, a flight plan has been filed for MKA108/801, a B747 between NBO and ATH. The ETA was 1014Z but the a/c has not landed. My guess is that a/c was scheduled to fly PHC-NBO-ATH...?
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 9:11 pm

I think you're going mad.
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 9:12 pm

A crash, and only 4 replies ???
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 9:14 pm


Where are you getting those reports from ?

We are now 1.30 later then your initial post and still no more news anywhere ?


 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 9:15 pm

No MK crash reported at Port Harcourt Nigeria. I think you made a small mistake....
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 9:18 pm

Apparently there was indeed an event in PHC according to a post on PPRuNe - awaiting further information.

MK Airlines is interesting in that it is owned by (and largely crewed by) Zimbabweans; operates on a Ghana AOC; and has its main operations and maintenance base in the UK.

The UK CAA have been after them for some time for various operating irregularities; and they have had numerous incidents including at least two of their DC8s destroyed.
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 9:31 pm

I am also awaiting news on this possible crash.
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 9:35 pm

They fly into Macau every week. I almost saw it last sunday, shame about the haze.
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 9:59 pm

9G-MKI. Landed short at Port Harcourt. Currently 12 survivors. (From Pprune)
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 10:08 pm


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I believe that this aircraft was already written off once before - by Southern Air Transport - following a mercury spill.
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 10:15 pm

I spotted 9G-MKI yesterday at 5 PM local in Amsterdam, at most 18 hours before the crash. Could it have flown AMS-?-PHC ?
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 10:18 pm

Of course - it's only 7 hours or so AMS-PHC.
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 10:21 pm

Any fatalities??? Is a/c complete write off??
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 10:29 pm

Has it crashed ??
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 10:46 pm

Ceilidh,

I believe that this aircraft was already written off once before - by Southern Air Transport - following a mercury spill

No, you're wrong on that one... 9G-MKI is ex N741SJ, the aircraft that was "written off" was N742SJ which is now N806FT with Polar Air Cargo. Trust me, I went on board that bird just before it flew for the first time after it was repaired...

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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 10:48 pm

12 survivors? How many people were on that thing?!!

Or 12 survivors on the ground? How do you class a survivor that was on the ground? Anyone living on the ground that wasn't injured? That would run into the billions!!! I understand how you can count people that WERE injured on the ground, but people that WEREN'T injured on the ground???
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 10:48 pm

If it has been Written Off it can't fly again.
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 11:01 pm

Hkgspotter1,

If it has been Written Off it can't fly again.

You're even wronger!!!  Big grin

All "written off" means is that the cost of repairing it exceeds the net worth of the hull, and that it therefore isn't worth repairing, that's all. This assessment is usually by the company that insures the hull, as they have to pay for the repairs. So, it isn't correct to say that an aircraft that is written off cannot fly again.

In the case of N741SJ, which is NOT the aircraft that has apparently crashed today anyway, the aircraft was written off after a mercury spill because the insurers decided that it would cost more to repair than the airplane was worth. Another company disagreed with that assessment, bought the hull from the insurers, and had it repaired. Simple. Under the right set of circumstances, an aircraft that has been written off can fly again, just like a car that is written off can be repaired and driven again.

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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 11:03 pm

Cx Flyboy - I understand that there were 15 pax in the upper deck plus crew, so it sounds like there may well have been fatalities.

Hkgspotter1 - nope, wrong again! As you just saw from the aircraft was indeed put back into service and is now with Polar Air Cargo. There are many instances of aircraft that have been declared write-offs by the insurers that have been returned to service.
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 11:03 pm

Cx_flyboy,

nothing really surprising about 15 people onboard 74F - two crew sets plus ground engineers, who constantly repairing this bird, also known as "Queen of the Hangar".
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 11:04 pm

Cx flyboy

A 747 freighter has seats on the upper deck for staff, so you might have up to 15 pob. Anyway nothing is confirmed yet, even if the rumour seems to be reliable.
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 11:08 pm

If I remember correctly from going on 9G-MKI's sister ship (the one that had the mercury spill), it had 10 first class seats on its upper deck, so I'd guess 15 smaller seats on the upper deck of this one isn't out of order.

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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 11:29 pm

Yes I realise that a freighter is capable of carrying many people, I just never realised that they were used to the full seating capacity!!
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 11:38 pm

Just to get a precise information: has it crashed or not?
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 11:39 pm

pprune talks about the a/c to be completely lost with at least one fatality.
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Tue Nov 27, 2001 11:51 pm

now CNN talking about 5 survivors + 2 killed
 
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MK Crash Info

Tue Nov 27, 2001 11:53 pm

One fatality in MK Airlines 747-200F crash in Nigeria
London (27Nov01, 13:21 GMT, 152 words)


A Boeing 747-200 freighter operated by UK cargo carrier MK Airlines has crashed on landing at Port Harcourt in Nigeria, killing one of the 13 people on board.

The Pratt & Whitney JT9D-powered 747-200F was en-route from Luxembourg to the Nigerian city, located south east of Lagos, when the accident occurred.

A spokesman for MK Airlines, which specialises in African operations, says: “We’re still trying to establish what happened. The aircraft crashed on landing at Port Harcourt at 02:00 this morning.”

He says that one of the 13 people on board the cargo flight died in the accident. The aircraft is a total loss.

MK Airlines has been leasing the 21-year old aircraft, registered 9G-MKI, since 1999. It is owned by Finova Capital Corporation and was formerly operated by Japan Airlines.

The 747-200F was one of a pair operated by MK Airlines, which also has a fleet of six McDonnell Douglas DC-8s.


Source: Air Transport Intelligence news
 
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Wed Nov 28, 2001 12:10 am

DAMN, I've booked lots of cargo on that bird! May the crew rest in peace....

Let's make some insurance papers....

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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Wed Nov 28, 2001 2:08 am

What happened ? how did it actually crash?
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Wed Nov 28, 2001 2:54 am

Reportedly crashed 700m short of Runway 21 (9843x197ft) at DNPO.
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Wed Nov 28, 2001 3:20 am

I've been informed by a colleague in Nigeria that the initial NCAA investigation shows that the aircraft ran out of fuel!
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Wed Nov 28, 2001 4:25 am

I've also heard from several sources at the scene that the plane appears to have run out of fuel. One source has been providing info for airdisaster.com for years, and I've never known him to be wrong.

Another interesting note, out of 15 aircraft slated to be in the MK fleet, 3 were never delivered, and 3 have now been written off since 1992, all due to crashes. An airline that's crashed 1/4 their fleet has to be doing something wrong.
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Wed Nov 28, 2001 4:38 am

Indeed so, ChrisKSDF

This is what I posted on PPRuNe:

I know that this will be unpopular, but it needs to be said. First, though, I would like to express sympathy for those directly involved - and of course the families of those killed.

My information from Nigeria is that initial findings are that the aircraft ran out of fuel.

MK has had considerably more than their statistical share of accidents and incidents - out of a total fleet of 12 aircraft operated, they have lost since 1992 two DC8s and have had at least one serious incident with their B747s (where ballast shifted because it was not properly secured) before.

They are an operation that is owned (and largely staffed) by Zimbabweans - many of whom are here illegally, without work permits or UK passports, working at MSE and at the company's 'technical base' in Sussex.

They have no genuine operational infrastructure in Ghana, yet operate under a Ghana AOC.

They are domiciled and openly headquartered in the UK yet the CAA is powerless to force them to apply for a UK AOC (despite many 'nudges' from the Belgrano).

They benefit from a lack of operational and safety oversight which allows them to cut costs and - more importantly - cut corners.

This, in turn, has allowed them to undercut EU airlines such as Cargo Lion, forcing them out of business.

They are, in short, the sort of dangerous flag of convenience pirate operator that Maggie Oldham used to get so wound up about.

This is not the first time that this company's poor standards have cost lives. And, unless the CAA/DTLR does something about them, nor will it be the last.

Over the last twelve months, there have been a number of threads about this company - some of which, sadly, have been very prophetic.

The chances are, you'll be sharing the skies with these aircraft. How safe do you feel?
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Wed Nov 28, 2001 6:38 am

that airplane, 9g-mki was regged in ghana. interesting for a british airline. that is also very odd because i have never heard anything about them in ghana. they do NOT have any ops in ghana whatsoever. if thats the case, ceilidh, then they need to be shut down...
too bad those dudes had to die...
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Wed Nov 28, 2001 6:43 am

Covert - they are Zimbabweans using Ghana as a flag of convenience and based out of the UK. I suggest that Edward Akohene closes down this operation now before the US gives Ghana a Category 2 rating.  Pissed  Pissed  Pissed

Unfortunately, the UK is too slack on these things and it has destroyed our own cargo industry.
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Wed Nov 28, 2001 9:16 am

CNN-TV's ticker is claiming that "At least 1 dead in British Airways freighter crash in Nigeria" What a joke. Their website is correct, but they can't seem to get their story straight.
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Wed Nov 28, 2001 9:21 am

What's the story on this ship? I take it she was a frieghter straight out of the factory or no?
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Wed Nov 28, 2001 9:26 am

Can't find anything on the BBC site.
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Wed Nov 28, 2001 9:27 am

Heavymetal,

No, 9K-MKI was an ex-JAL passenger bird converted to a freighter for Southern Air Cargo and then sold to Finnova and leased to MK Air Cargo... Sadly, its last day seems to have been spent flying into Nigeria for whatever reason we yet not know.

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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Wed Nov 28, 2001 9:31 am

Can't find anything on the BBC site.

Hey Hkgspotter1, the BBC aint the definitive word on everything. As has already been stated:

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/africa/11/27/nigeria.crash/index.html

Andy

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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Wed Nov 28, 2001 11:57 am

Mr Robertson,

Could you please give us an idea what you do with yourself other than monitor crash reports and airline chat forums?

I don't intend on being mean, but I'm genuinely curious since you've reported your wings group project is on hold. Obviously you know much about comerical aviation, so where do you put that knowledge to use other than on here and the prof. pilots rumor network?

Thanks kindly.
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Wed Nov 28, 2001 2:03 pm

- I run several companies including a consultancy which provides assistance to a select group of airlines, government organisations and other parties. We do pretty well out of it. And as you can see, it's 0500 here at present and I tend to work 18+ hour days.
 
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MK Crash: News By The Guardian (Nigeria)

Wed Nov 28, 2001 3:17 pm

Briton dies, four others wounded as plane crashes in Port Harcourt

From Joseph Ollor Obari,

Kelvin Ebiri (Port Harcourt) and

Tunji Oketunbi (Lagos)

RESIDENTS of Ipo village, about 700 meters from the Port Harcourt International Airport in the early hours of yesterday, woke up shocked as a Boeing 747 cargo aircraft belonging to M.K. Airlines swirled and crashed in their area, killing a British engineer on board and wounding four of the other 12-member British and American crew.

Aviation Minister Kema Chikwe who visited the site yesterday, said the cause of the crash which occurred at about 1.56 a.m. was yet unknown. The aircraft had left Luxembourg for Johannesburg in South Africa via Port Harcourt.

Airport sources said that the plane, which had but two minutes to land, suddenly lost contact with the control tower.

Chikwe who was visibly shocked by the extent of the wreckage, said the managing director of the National Airways Management Authority (NAMA) called at 4 am. to inform her of the incident.

"I had just woken up and I asked the immediate questions on human lives and, what the situation was, whether all our equipment was functioning, because I came here not too long ago to inspect all the facilities. The equipment were all functional, so we ruled out the possibility of equipment failure," she said.

The minister emphasised that there was light at the airport as the generator was in good condition and the airport operation had remained uninterrupted.

On her arrival in Port Harcourt, the minister drove straight to the Intel Clinic to ascertain the condition of the survivors of the crash.

Of what she saw at the clinic, she said: "For a layman, any injury is serious. I saw blood and people lying down, some looking more critical than others, but I am told adequate arrangement was being made to send an air ambulance to fly them to Zurich, because they are foreigners."

Asked if the victims were able to describe what happened to them, she said: "They were all in a state of shock and confusion and I did not think I should even ask such question. A plane crash is not a car crash. It is something that is very technical and is best handled by professionals. So the most they could do was to describe their experience, but they could not determine the cause of the crash.

"It is only when Airport Investigation Bureau complete their work then we can have a clue of what actually happened. I don't think at this stage anybody can attribute this to any specific cause."

She said it was sheer miracle that the cockpit severed from the fuselage, a major factor in the survival of the rest of the crew.

"There is a miracle here, even the separation is like God on His own separated the aircraft. You can see where the passengers were was intact. They were in the upper deck and it was only the engineer that was down that died. It's amazing that they were secured where they were. There was no fire on that side. They would have all died," she added.

She promised that the airport clinic would be upgraded to cope with emergencies like this in the future.

At the site, the wreckage still smouldered. Only part of the name could be discerned from the severed parts while there was nothing left of the aircraft registration number.

Accident investigators and officials from the Federal Ministry of Aviation left Lagos yesterday for Port Harcourt to probe the crash.

Although there was no official statement from the Nigerian Civil Aviation Authority (NCAA), information gathered in Lagos indicated the aircraft was operated by Accra-based M.K. Airlines on behalf of a Nigerian operator.

A similar accident involving an aircraft belonging to the same operator occurred on approach to landing at the Port Harcourt airport about four years ago.

No official statement was issued by the airline yesterday.
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Wed Nov 28, 2001 5:41 pm

Jet crash Britons recover from ordeal

Four Britons who survived a jumbo jet crash in
Nigeria are recovering from their ordeal.

One crew member was killed when the Boeing
747 came down near the airport at Port
Harcourt, in the south-east of the country.

The cargo plane, chartered by Panalpina World
Trans Limited freight company, was flying to
South America from Luxembourg.

It tried to land in Nigeria to drop off supplies
for local oil operations, state-run radio said,
but crashed on the approach, near Igbo
village.

The Foreign Office denied reports that a British
engineer had died of injuries from the crash,
which left six of the 13 crew needing treatment
in a local hospital for serious wounds.

A spokeswoman said: "There were four Britons
on board but no British fatalities. We have no
details of any injuries.

"They were on board an MK Airlines Boeing
747 which crashed on approach to Port
Harcourt international airport, in south-east
Nigeria."

MK Airlines had told the Foreign Office there
was one fatality and it was not British.

"All the families of the crew members on board
the flight have been notified," the
spokeswoman added.

"The four British men were crew members.
Their families have been informed and the
airline has organised for the crew to be flown
out of Nigeria as soon as possible."
 
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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Wed Nov 28, 2001 5:48 pm

MEA707, you're right. The 9G-MKI left indeed AMS the evening before the crash. According to the Dutch spotterslist it departed at 17.42 local as MK6215 to Luxemburg, thus not a direct AMS-PHC flight.

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RE: MK Airlines B747 Freighter Down In Phc?

Wed Nov 28, 2001 6:46 pm

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