Flying-Tiger
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Lybian Arab Airlines

Thu Nov 29, 2001 3:58 am

Have heard that Lybian Arab Airlines is interested in some Saab 2000 from Crossair. Can anyone confirm?

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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Thu Nov 29, 2001 8:26 am

I am sure about the TU-204 they ordered 15 aircraft .
I am not sure about the saab 2000 but I think Libyan Airlines needs some regional aircrafts to replace their fokker 27s .
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Thu Nov 29, 2001 8:47 am

The best aircraft for replace the F27 of Lybian Arab Airlines is the Canadian Regional Jet RJ700 or 900 or the new generation of Avro RJs.

RJ_Delta.
 
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Thu Nov 29, 2001 8:54 am

To the best of my knowledge, they have parked all their F27s, and have 1 or maybe 2 F28s left. I wouldn`t expect anything to happen too soon, as everything in Libya takes forever to get done.
 
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Thu Nov 29, 2001 9:34 am

Libya has no money to buy state of the art Canadian regional jets RJ_Delta
 
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Thu Nov 29, 2001 9:41 am

Of course they have money, but choose to spend it on
other things, like supporting Mad Bob in Zimbabwe....
From New Yorqatar to Califarbia...
 
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Thu Nov 29, 2001 10:30 am

LAA have not yet ordered any Tu-204 aircraft. They have however shown a lot of interest in the Tu-204-120. From what I understand from people in Ulyanovsk, is that KATO would buy the aircraft, and lease the aircraft to LAA through Sirocco Aerospace.

Of course, this is still some time off, if ever.

The only aircraft which has gone to Libya is an An-124, which I understand was recently delivered.

The An-70 has been mooted as a replacement for the F-27s currently in the LAA fleet, and tests are understood to be taking place in Libya soon (if they haven't already).

Twaneedsnohelp...what do you mean Libya has no money? They have plenty of money, derived from a once again burgeoning oil industry.
 
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Thu Nov 29, 2001 10:39 am

Oh, my Australian friend......

Libya's got nada!
 
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Thu Nov 29, 2001 3:08 pm

Lybia can´t get anything factory-fresh with american engingesunder its wings due to the existing embargo. this rules out all RJs.
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Thu Nov 29, 2001 4:25 pm

Twaneedsnohelp......
my friend i feel bad that for someone who thinks he knows it all...specially when it comes to the middle east......you really are mighty ignorant-no offence. I dont know who told you that Libya has No money........ohh sure they Libya has plenty of money to buy any planes they would desire for Libyan Arab Airlines.
 
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Thu Nov 29, 2001 5:43 pm

i feel bad that for someone

I thank you for your pity KHI747, however misplaced it may be.

The facts speak for themselves, Libya is a mess.

The country has an unemployment rate three times its arch-enemy Israel, with 1 in 3 Libyans out of a job, it's Gross Domestic Product in terms of purchasing power is 45 billion dollars, compared to Egypt's of 247 billion dollars and Saudi's of 242 billion. Even Morocco with no oil has a GDP twice that of Libya.

Government jobs still account for well over half of the population's employment and inflation is 20%!, only about 10 times what a country its size should be.

The government's spending budget is just over 6 billion dollars, Egypt's is over 22 billion.

Theres more and more and more and more. Yes, with the UN sanctions removed, the country has room to grow and develop, but they've got a lot of belt-tightenening getting their bank in order before any kind of extensive expenditures are undertaken.

KHI747, the fact that Libya has "plenty of money to buy planes" is just simply incorrect.
 
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Thu Nov 29, 2001 7:46 pm

Just when i thought that you couldnt be any more naive .....let me explain a few things to you. The numbers that you have provided are 100% correct -however they are meaningless unless they are put in perspective....i'll do that for you..
Libya has a GDP of $45 billion whereas Kuwait has a GDP of less then $30 billion yet enough money to decorate its KU fleet with anything-UAE has a GDP of $54 billion with the likes of EK and GF(partly) to show for it. You compare Libya's GDP to the Egyptian GDP of $247 billion but do you know Egypt has a population of 70 million compared to Libya's 5 million! Saudi Arabia with its $242 billion GDP has a population of 23 million. Ridiculous of all is your comparison with Morroco in this context-Morocco may have twice the GDP but it also has 6 times as many people as Libya!
Libya had expenditures of $6 billion, whereas UAE with similar expenditures($7.3b) somehow had "enough" money to get plenty of new planes. Naturally with 70 million people Egypt can spend so much more.
Libya is a country with a small population and significant amount of oil.....as you so clearly exhibit alot of people do not think much of it but Libya has one of the highest Per Capita Incomes in Africa.
By no means its a Switzerland,and it has its share of economic issues that you have accurately pointed. But Libya, an OPEC member, has a government that has enough money to buy any or as many planes they desire.
 
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Fri Nov 30, 2001 3:35 am

I work in Libya, and as of two weeks ago, there were no new aircraft. They are , however, spending a lot of money to improve the airport facilities at Tripoli and Benghazi. I feel that if they so desire, they can buy what a/c they want, subject to the usual US meddling. Given the political situation, if they want airplanes, they'll buy them, and take the money from some other program, if need be . Who's going to complain?
 
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Fri Nov 30, 2001 4:21 am

Our ex-President Mandela is an old friend of Ghadaffi's and believe me, our northern fellow Africans are cash flush. The Libyans have invested quite a bit in our petro chemical industries in SA. They seem spend their money in funny ways such as the "greening of the desert" scheme.
The Russian aircraft will be perfect for them as it would allow them to avoid the embargo.
 
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Fri Nov 30, 2001 9:52 am

Wonder where Twaneedsnohelp has dissappeared ...?! I guess he does not know what to say anymore...
 
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Fri Nov 30, 2001 6:56 pm

Flying Tiger, you're right. I've heard a Crossair SAAB 2000 did a demo in Libya. However, I don't have any confirmation about this.

KHI747, you're right and don't forget the fact that Libya is one of the largest exporter of natural gas.

BTW does anybody know why the LN flight to Amsterdam is always cancelled?

Regards
Laurens
 
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Fri Nov 30, 2001 7:24 pm

I also hope they opt for Russian planes, by the way which airlines are now back in Tripoli? and where all do LN fly to Confused

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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Fri Nov 30, 2001 7:45 pm

Twaneedsnohelp,

"Libya has no money to buy state of the art Canadian regional jets RJ_Delta"

Lybia has important social and economic problems but
you are definitely wrong saying they can't afford buying
new planes...You can say whatever you want with
figures, if the country is able to buy very expensive
weapons each year, why wouldn't it able to buy state-of-art aircrafts ? It's not mathematical, it's just obvious!
 
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Fri Nov 30, 2001 9:37 pm

Hi Airmale!
Most european airlines are back in Tripoli
KLM
ALITALIA
SWISSAIR
LUFTHANSA
BRITISH AIRWAYS
AIR FRANCE
AIR MALTA
MALEV
AUSTRIAN

also TUNIS AIR
JORDANIAN
EGYPT AIR
ROYAL AIR MAROC
SUDAN AIR
AIR ALGERIE
So most airlines now have a presence in Libya
Cheers!
Tony
 
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Fri Nov 30, 2001 11:23 pm

PIA also fly there twice weekly with the A310-300 Smile
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Sat Dec 01, 2001 12:46 am


Emirates also flies to TIP via MLA

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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Sat Dec 01, 2001 2:29 am

Aviatsiva- When you say the An70 is a possible replacemant for the F27, do you maybe mean the An72? The An70 is a brand new cargo transporter, not at all suitable for Libyan Arab.
As for who flies into Libya, After Sept 11, Swissair immediately stopped all flights to Libya, while the rest of the carriers did business as usual. When Swissair wanted to resume service, the Libyan government told them where they could stuff it!
 
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Sat Dec 01, 2001 4:36 am

Avt007. My mind was in a dozen different places when I posted that, and I have 2 different subjects in the same paragraph. Allow me to correct what I wrote:

The An-140 has been mooted as a replacement for LAA's F27s.

The An-70 has been offered for sale to LAA, and is understood to be having trials done in Libya, if they haven't done so already.

Avt007, some information you may be able to help me with here. If you would prefer to reply to me in private, no worries (email: scotty@aviatsiya.ru). Two Russian friends and I are currently working on a project to be at www.aviatsiya.ru and we are needing some information.

We all know (or at least i hope we all do) that Libya recently purchased an An-124-100 Ruslan from the Aviant Plant in Kiev (thereby proving that they have some money for aircraft). It was recently reported that this aircraft was handed over to Libya, but details are non-existant on who the aircraft will be operated by (Jamahiriya Air Force or LAA [Jamahiriya Air Transport]), where the aircraft is currently, and most importantly, what Libya needs a Ruslan for (maybe some internal government project??).

There is also another airline in Libya formed only recently, called Libya Air Tibesti (or something similar). Firm information on this airline has been impossible to find. Our interest in this airline is the fact that they operate the Yak-40.

Any help you can give would be appreciated......by the way...what are ya doing in Libya?

Cheers

Scotty
 
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Sat Dec 01, 2001 8:31 am

Scotty; I have not heard of any Antonovs in Libya, or any new airlines. I am an aircraft maintenance engineer for one of the oil companies there, and being out in desert, I don`t see what goes on at Tripoli or Benghazi.
So, I`m sorry, I can`t be of any help......
 
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Sat Dec 01, 2001 9:08 am

So what is the current fleet Libyan Airlines are operating ?
What about their AB 300-600 ?
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Sat Dec 01, 2001 11:30 am

Where has that genius Twaneedsnohelp dissappeared......really amusing!  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Sat Dec 01, 2001 11:58 am

While I don't always agree with TWAneedsNOhelp, give him a break.

You've proved your point.
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Sat Dec 01, 2001 3:15 pm

KHI747- your age is showing........................treat others with respect, as you would like to be treated.
 
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Sat Dec 01, 2001 5:50 pm

BA and Avt007
Well i wont disagree.....maybe there was no need for me to pursue this matter and you know probably i would have made similar comments had someone else done the same thing....  Big grin (Avt007s might be somewhat out of line)
But you know the thing that ticked me off was the fact that Twaneedsnohelp thinks he knows sooooooo much about the middle east.This is not the first time he has made baseless comments with such confidence !!
 
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Twaneedsnohelp

Sat Dec 01, 2001 8:57 pm

Twaneedsnohelp is so anti Islam. I had problems with him before. Unfortunately the media in the USA portrays a bad image of Muslims. So, I can understand why he says the things the he does.
 
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Sat Dec 01, 2001 10:37 pm

Yes! Twaneedsnohelp/PANYNJ is a hypocrite all the while he was mailing me as PANYNJ courting a friendly dialogue he was stabbing and attacking me personally, Pakistan, Arabs and other Muslims under his Twaneedsnohelp nick, and I posted twice in the non-aviation forum revealing his two faces which were sadly deleted by the way despite Johan knowing hes still using dual usernames also, ironically two of his close friends are Pakistani's. God help them Angry
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RE: Lybian Arab Airlines

Sat Dec 01, 2001 10:50 pm

Airmale do you know how to use a period? Your sentences are awfully long.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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