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CRJ: Underbelly Cargo & Window Level

Thu Nov 29, 2001 4:26 am

Wondering why new-build CRJ-200s aren't produced with the enhancements made to the CRJ-700/900... namely underbelly cargo and a 4-inch elevation of the cabin windows, as well as cabin redesigns.

CRJ-700...notice the underbelly cargo door in front of the wing, portside? Also, notice the elevated window level?

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CRJ-200...absent on the smallies... "neckbreaking" windows

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I know the obvious answer is that the -700 and -900 need more cargo space for the commensurate #of pax, but wouldn't underbelly cargo provide extra revenue potential for CRJ-200 operators?

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    DC-10inLB
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    RE: CRJ: Underbelly Cargo & Window Level

    Thu Nov 29, 2001 4:58 am

    On the CRJ-200 there is a hatch underneath but it is an access to the "guts" of the plane, I don't think there is any room for cargo underneath in the -200. I think moving the windows up is a great improvement, but probably won't trickle down to the -200 since so many are already produced it'd be easier to keep the old and new -200s alike for common parts in fleets etc. those are just a few of my thoughts
     
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    RE: CRJ: Underbelly Cargo & Window Level

    Thu Nov 29, 2001 6:46 am


    As above, I don't think there is any physical room to have a belly locker on the -200. As it goes, the useabillity of the belly locker on the -700 is questionable.

    With such a low clearance, the locker is going to cause rumblings with operational health and safety issues (back strains, etc..). Also, because of the small height of the locker, it works best with the slide loading system (a bit like a draw that comes out, is loaded, and slided back into the belly). This makes the verticle height very small, and gives very little useable storage space.

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    RE: CRJ: Underbelly Cargo & Window Level

    Thu Nov 29, 2001 6:48 am

    I have only been on a CRJ 3 or 4 times. After my first trip I learned to never request a window seat. The window is too low to see out of and you have no room for your right shoulder due to the curvature of the fuselage. I am only 6'1"!
     
    johnnybgoode
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    RE: CRJ: Underbelly Cargo & Window Level

    Thu Nov 29, 2001 7:02 am

    well, Canadair is acutally considering a variant of the CRJ 100/200 which would include the aforementioned features introduced on the CRJ 700/900.
    the new variant, which is still not officially launched and has not yet received sufficient interest, is dubbed CRJ 500 (makes sense, doesn´t it?).

    Canadair approached Lufthansa CityLine, launching customer of the CRJ and major operator of all current three derivatives (-100, -200, -700), which is not interested in it because it doesn´t see a need for the CRJ 500 having.

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    Flying-Tiger
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    RE: CRJ: Underbelly Cargo & Window Level

    Thu Nov 29, 2001 7:23 am

    LHCL´s not-interest is easy to explain: they have just gotten their CRJ200s, most of them being less than two years old. And as far as I remember LHCL´s 728JET options are convertible into 528JET orders.

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    RE: CRJ: Underbelly Cargo & Window Level

    Thu Nov 29, 2001 4:11 pm

    I guess you could use the belly of a -200 for cargo as long as all the useless* stuff that occupies that space is removed.


    *Attitude/Heading computers
    Autopilot computer
    ILS receivers
    NAV receivers
    COM tranceivers
    Transponder
    Wx Radar
    Fuel Qty Computer
    Flap Computer
    Crew Oxygen bottle
    etc.....


    Maybe a bit sarcastic, but the fact of the matter is that the area under the floor, forward of the wing box is jam packed full of stuff that makes everything on the flight deck work.

    I'm with you on the window placement. The designers should have seen this aircraft as more than a stretched rich man's toy.

     
    sfointern
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    RE: CRJ: Underbelly Cargo & Window Level

    Thu Nov 29, 2001 4:45 pm

    Has that usless shite been relocated in the CRJ-700/900? Or--because of their respective lengths, is there just simply extra room for cargo?

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