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Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Thu Nov 29, 2001 7:06 pm

I flew this LPL - LTN quite a few times, and the a/c were always full. I know that they stopped this route because of a row with Luton Airport over charges, but why don't they open a new route to LGW?

Does anyone know if there are plans to open a new route?
 
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Thu Nov 29, 2001 7:26 pm

I don't think so im afraid VS744, yes there was dispute about airport fee's and that's why they dont do the LPL-LTN run no more  Crying Easyjet are buying more and more aircraft and they are venturing into bigger things now so maybe thats long forgotten.....
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Thu Nov 29, 2001 7:33 pm

Someone has got to do something. LPL to a London Airport is crying out for a low fares carrier!

Not this Euro Celtic Airways expensive prop driven operation thats going on at the moment!!
 
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Thu Nov 29, 2001 7:35 pm

I agree VS747, perhaps 'Go' will maybe look into this ??
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Thu Nov 29, 2001 7:38 pm

If I had the money, I would set it up myself!!
If only to save myself the 3-4 hour drive every time I go back up to Liverpool!!
 
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Thu Nov 29, 2001 7:53 pm

EGFF

Do you think easyJet would tolerate Go at LPL? They were horrified at even the idea of Go at MAN but to see them at their own patch, I'm sure they'd love that  Wink/being sarcastic

VS744

And why not a MAN-London low-cost service? Or a Blackpool-London low-cost service?

David/MAN
 
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Thu Nov 29, 2001 7:57 pm

David/MAN

Note you forgot to include your number of days!

Anyway reasons are purely selfish!!

My family lives in Wallasey - 15 mins from LPL, and 45 mins from MAN!!
 
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Thu Nov 29, 2001 7:57 pm

lol...yes david, they would freak! worth a try though  Big grin the Blackpool one sounds good, lol...maybe Cessna?
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Thu Nov 29, 2001 8:03 pm


Ah, the selfish ways! If I had my way, I'd compel all MAS and MAU to stay at MAN, tell BA to actually serve Britain and not London and generally cause a commotion to the world's airlines by telling them to actually take advantage of Britain's regions instead of trying to totally clog up London!

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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Thu Nov 29, 2001 8:06 pm

It stopped because they lost pots. There is too much competition on a route like that and LPL-LTN is only going to serve a business market in the local catchment areas of the two airports. The big market is MAN-LON and having to travel at both ends makes it unlikely to succeed. I was a bit more surprised that MAN-LCY failed though (can't remember who that was) as I would have thought there was a market for that.

As for U2 operating LPL-LGW, I'm sure that they wouldn't mind, but even with BA vacating slots they are still in short supply and other routes would be a long way ahead in terms of priority.
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Thu Nov 29, 2001 8:49 pm

Banco:
it stopped because they lost pots?

was that a typo? if not, what does it mean?
 
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Thu Nov 29, 2001 8:55 pm


Pots = pot loads of money!

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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Thu Nov 29, 2001 9:31 pm

ah, thanks.....went right over my head!!

I thought that was because BArclays upped the passenger fee?

so wouldnt LGW offer something worthwhile?
 
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Thu Nov 29, 2001 9:54 pm

There was a Blackpool to London service in the summer.
Randomly, it was to Biggin Hill, and it wasn't low fare either at £199 return std fare, but it did include "luxury" coach transfers between Biggin Hill and the City. Though those quiet empty streets of London... ahem.

I'd love to see a Blackpool service again. My parents live in Lytham and it would make life very easy flying home to visit. I currently fly to MAN and get the old man to pick me up.

I've used the Sleasy Jet service from Liverpool as well, and thought it was very good.
 
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Thu Nov 29, 2001 10:16 pm

The whole Barclay's thing was a bit of a media scam. Barclays didn't run the airport, they just had a stake in the airport operator. Of course, attacking a bank is always a good way of getting the public onside as everybody hates them!

On the issue of airport fees themselves, when U2 first started, they were offered preferential rates as a new entrant. Why should they continue to be virtually nothing? After all, the airport operator has to make money too. Besides, as much as they might whinge about it, they don't have that much choice, they can't just close down LTN and go elsewhere. The same with LPL, where else are they going to go with a decent catchment area? Manchester? Oh, yes I'm sure they'll get a great deal there.

LGW is slot constrained, even if you assume that Easyjet got all the newly available slots, which won't happen, it would only be enough for about four high density routes.
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Thu Nov 29, 2001 10:21 pm

This is pants!

I may have to write to Stelios!
 
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 2:37 am

I'd love to see a Blackpool service. For those of you who like to laugh at the idea remember that Blackpool has 18 million visitors every year. Humberside and Teeside get London flights but I can't imagine 18 million people wanting to visit Hull or Hartlepool, 18 would be a lot.
 
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 3:56 am

How far is Manchester International Airport away from the City of Liverpool? Do the two cities share the same international airport, so to speak? like Dallas and Forth Worth?
 
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 4:11 am

Manchester International Airport? We haven't been called that since 1986 (though various media types report it as such!).

Manchester has MAN - about 10 miles from Manchester city centre; it's about 40 miles from Liverpool.
Liverpool has LPL which is around 5? miles from Liverpool city centre (please someone correct me -I've been to Liverpool only twice. Twice too many times some might say  Wink/being sarcastic)

The "dual" airport that could have been developed was the former USAF base at Burtonwood near Warrington, which was near equi-distant between Manchester and Liverpool.

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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 1:18 pm

Well International flights fly into MAN, making it in an international airport right? ha.

40 miles is about 65 km which would take less than an hour to complete under normal traffic conditions. That isn't too bad, is it. Unless traffic between the two cities is terrible.

I also wonder how SIA supports a daily flight to Manchester. Are there that many people going there everyday? And for that matter, how do so many airlines support daily international flights to MAN? There's nothing much to do there, is there? Except Old Trafford? And even if it's the football crowd, at the rate they're going these days, hmmmm, Man U's gonna lose a lot of fans.......

Unless MAN is the international gateway into beautiful Scotland?
 
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 6:45 pm


Docpepz

For me the word "International" means that the airport provides customs facilities. Not such a big deal, besides you don't hear of Heathrow International or Gatwick International!

There are 33 million people within 2 hours car drive of Manchester. Suffcient catchment area, I would think, to support a fair number of daily intercontinental flights! I will admit that you won't tend to find too many in the front end of the planes but remember that we have an airline that prefers to shuttle passengers down to LHR rather than introduce long-haul out of MAN!

Looking at the situation pre-September, MAN was experiencing some 7% growth in passenger numbers; my website (http://fly.to/northwest-spotters) has passenger statistics up to June for the international flights from Northwest England, although I have yet to upload the statistics for the picture to August.

Being specific to SQ, they along with MH and EK do well in providing connections to Australia. Once I am at home again, I will furnish a better response!

As for the ignorant comment about Man Utd, you may be surprised to learn that when they were relegated in 1973-4, the following season saw them have the highest average attendence in England despite being in the old Division 2. There's a lot of mythology about the attendences as they have consistently been in the top 2 or 3 even in the long, unsuccessful period that they had!

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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 7:05 pm

Who sent them down, David? Come on...!
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 7:09 pm

What tossy comments about MAN and why people fly there. It is a gateway to the North, and a welcome one at that, for people who can't be arsed to deal with hassle that goes with LHR/LGW.

A David said there are over 30 million people who are within a few hrs of MAN. Like my parents, going to Altanta on Delta from MAN, who are quite happy at the fact that they don't have to fly down and change planes at LGW, or anywhere else.

I do question why SIA have a flight out of MAN though. How can so many people want to go to a boring as 'eck place as Singapore is anyones guess.
At least Manchester is hip, happening, booming, top nightlife, fab clubs, music scene, Commonwealth Games coming up etc etc... unlike Singapore.

 
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 7:23 pm


Banco

It certainly wasn't Man City as even if Utd won 1000-0, they would still have been relegated that day! Thus, more common misconceptions!

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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 7:24 pm

VS744, Barclays sold their stake in LTN to another airport operator and the landing fee issue at LTN has been resolved.

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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 8:30 pm

Lj, does this mean EZY will reopen the route in summer 2002?

Also, Liverpool Airport is less than 40 miles from Manchester. The two cities are only about 25 miles apart. The thing is, it takes an hour to drive to the wirral -where I live, and LPL is only 15 mins from there.

If you are going to spend an hour driving to MAN, then an hour waiting, followed by another hour at say LHR/LTN getting into london, then you could have covered the distance by road in the same time...if you see what I mean?

At LPL, the runway is very close to the terminal, the flight is 25 minutes, and you can do the journey much quicker. If you did MAN to LHR, you spend 25 minutes queing and taxiing, and then another 15 minutes in a stack over london somewhere....
 
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 8:35 pm

BCalDC10: Most of the passengers on Singapore Airlines' flights do not terminate at Singapore.(They would be dumb to do so) They usually continue on to the region or Australia. That I have to agree with you-it's a really boring sterile well organised city. Worth only for a stopover and nothing more. And it's not as if we're very cheap anymore.


The point i was trying to get at was, is MAN the international gateway to Scotland?

And gosh, forget the Man U comments man...... at least for this thread...... we could start a discussion on their performance on the non-aviation forum. So we don't digress. I know how passionate some of us can get about football so yeah....
 
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 8:51 pm

Docpepz,

There are plenty of direct services into GLA, very few would go via MAN. If it's an intercontinental connection from somewhere GLA is not served then pax would transfer over either LHR, LGW or one of the European hubs to GLA, EDI, ABZ or PIK.
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 9:03 pm

well it is an international gateway to Scotland and is a choice for those who don't want the hassle of changing at LHR or LGW. You can fly to EDI, GLA or any of the other airports at MAN just as easily as at LHR and its probably a lot easier.
Its also a gateway out of the region, and it does have a very large catchment area as mentioned before.
The only slight downside is that because they use smaller planes from MAN they can't offer economies of scale and lower fares, hence regional flights out of MAN tend to be a bit more expensive.

I agree ref. the point about Singapore being a stopover point. I lived in Singapore for 3 months in the early 90's. Wasn't as much fun as MAN. Nicer weather though...
 
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 9:22 pm

VS744

Is the 25 mins at MAN "queuing and taxiing" pre-2nd runway operations or post-2nd runway operations? I would have thought there would be less time waiting now (all the CAA has said is they have now recalculated ground times at Manchester).

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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 9:48 pm

David_itl

Sorry, I should have made my point clearer - I was referrring to the quring and taxing time at both ends. i.e. a BA flight from MAN-LHR or vice versa would have a lot more Taxi/Queue/Stack Queue time than say LPL to LTN (even though LTN has that nasty taxiway system)
 
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 10:54 pm

VS744, probably not. EZY is busy expanding on the continent (AMS, GVA and maybe ORY, CPH or BRU). Thus they don't have the aircraft for a LPL-LTN route.

Personally I expect that EZY will shift its focus from the UK to the rest of Europe. First, EZY will connect these new destinations with LTN or LPL and later on with LGW and flights between non UK destinations. However, this does not mean that EZY will no longer inaugurate new domestic services in the UK.

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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 11:21 pm

Wouldn't it make sense for them to operate a LPL-LTN route for logistical reasons?

i.e. between their two uk hubs...
 
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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 11:37 pm

No, because both LPL and LTN are crew bases. easyJet does have flights for logistical reasons. In fact some of the early morning flights from the UK to AMS are for logistical reasons as AMS is not a crewbase. This means that the aircraft (and crew) which fly AMS-NCE or AMS-BCN must first arrive from the UK before they make the journey to NCE or BCN.

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RE: Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?

Sat Dec 01, 2001 12:07 am

I have come to the conclusion that im forever going to have to drive up and down the M40 and the M6....
great....just great!