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ATA: Why Both MDW And Ind?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 4:00 am

I thought of this as I was flying home to visit the family last weekend. What's the reason to have two hubs so close together? Limited space at each facility? Maintenance?

Any insight would be appreciated!

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RE: ATA: Why Both MDW And Ind?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 4:36 am

I may be wrong but I think it has something to do with their fleet of L1011's for charters. The runway at Midway cannot support aircraft as big as them. Besides that though I have no idea what the point of Indianapolis is.
 
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RE: ATA: Why Both MDW And Ind?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 5:05 am

Scott,

ATA made inroads at MDW after the first Midway Airlines failed in the early '90s. The runway at Midway is too short for the L-1011s, but MDW offers much better potential for filling planes. Chicago is a much better destination for O/D and works as well for transferring passengers. I imagine there was no real reason to dismantle the IND hub, so they kept them both, despite their proximity to one another.
I imagine that the proximity of MSP to both hubs is what has kept ATA from buying Sun Country.

A pair of questions for you: Is ATA flying 757-300s to MDW? Do they fit on those dinky runways?

Will we see more of your photography from San Diego any time soon?
 
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RE: ATA: Why Both MDW And Ind?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 5:23 am

ATA is headquartered in the city of Indianapolis. Even though Indianapolis is considered a hub, the vast majority of ATA's connections are made at Midway. One reason that ATA keeps Indianapolis as a hub is because they own Ambasadair Travel Club which operates all of its flights out of Indianapolis. In the distant future it would not be surprising to see ATA move their headquarters up to Chicago. This will not happen anytime soon though, because they just went through that debate and decided to stay in Indianapolis for a while. With their expansion at Midway, I can definitly see them moving all of their operations there in the future. ATA will fly the 757-300 in and out of Midway. That is the largest plane that can get in and out of Midway.
 
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RE: ATA: Why Both MDW And Ind?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 5:28 am

One of the reasons that they came to MDW was what Lindy said. And lindy They can't fit a L1011 at Midway because of two reasons. 1. The noise(cause there are houses close to the airport) and the fence(There is a fence around the airport). 2. The runway isn't long enough to have a L1011. And they have 757-300s land on Midway's runways. Their runways can handle any 757. They have had their 757-300s over there since they bought them and the first one came. ATA uses their L1011s at ORD and they use their Lockheeds on IND-LAS and on routes to Hawaii and other service too. Midway's runways are 5,000 and one is 6,522 feet long so they can handle a 757-300.
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RE: ATA: Why Both MDW And Ind?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 6:42 am

Thanks everyone for your response. Learn something new every day...

Lindy field:

Yeah, they had lots of 753's there when I was there both last weekend and a month and a half ago. What's neat about MDW is that you get on a bus to transfer between the commuter terminal and the main terminal, and was lucky enough to get a ride right under the tail of one of those things during a transfer. Loooooooong airplanes!

Anyway, I am currently in SW Michigan until next August/September...then I'll be moving back to San Diego for good (god, I can't wait!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy ). So...for the next 8 months or so, most of my shooting will be from around the perimeter @ ORD.

Thanks again everyone!

-Scott


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RE: ATA: Why Both MDW And Ind?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 8:34 am

I am surprised that ATA has not looked for some used MD-11s that are out there that are less than 10 yrs old with low flying hours to replace their aging L-1011s that are used for charters?
 
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RE: ATA: Why Both MDW And Ind?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 9:07 am

IND is not a hub for ATA. Just a decently sized departure point for them.

Midway, on the other hand, is a "hub" by terms of standard airline vocabulary.

ATA has also done a large # of point-to-point flying, such as LA-Cancun, used to do a lot of East Coast - Fl markets (like Bos - Fll, MCO, etc)..

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RE: ATA: Why Both MDW And Ind?

Fri Nov 30, 2001 11:55 am

Finally I can get back on Airliners.Net. I don't think IND can be considered really a hub, they only fly from IND to
-MCO
-CUN
-LAS
-Ft. Myers
-FLL
-Sarasota
-St. Pete.
Plus all the other charter flights they operate out of IND. I think MDW produces much more revenue for rhem than IND in terms or scheduled flights.

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