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United Axes JFK-GRU For Good

Fri Nov 30, 2001 10:06 am

United will axe thier JFK-GRU flight for good due to porr advanced bookings. United will continue to serve Sao Paulo daily from O'Hare with a 763 and daily from Miami with a 772. Apparently, United's LaGuardia-Miami flight, which is being upgraded to a 757-200 (from an A320) will share a flight number with MIA-GRU to connect passengers. United will resume non-stop JFK-EZE service this holiday season, however. Currently, the JFK-EZE flight operates via MIA (with change of gauge).
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RE: United Axes JFK-GRU For Good

Fri Nov 30, 2001 10:56 am

Well,UA doen't have any connecting traffic @ JFK. Look at how long JFK-HKG lasted.........They should stick to ORD,DEN,LAX,SFO,MIA and EWR.
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RE: United Axes JFK-GRU For Good

Fri Nov 30, 2001 11:03 am

The flight is suspended again, but will return in the future. UA has them on the sched in 2002, I assume when loads increase, it will return.
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RE: United Axes JFK-GRU For Good

Fri Nov 30, 2001 11:32 am

UAL has abandoned JFK like the plague with the exception of LHR. Their terminal is a ghost town. They have raped JFK of the ex PA routes. Ditto for AA. Some say AA will come back once the new terminal is in but more than half of the flights is domestic. The others are Carribean, LHR, CDG and ZRH. Delta is big at JFK but they are no where near half the size PA and TW were at their bankruptcy levels. I guess if PA and TW was still arond and financially sound they would stay at JFK or move to LAX, BOS, MIA and ORD. I don't know about STL being an international hub. It could work for Euro flights but that would be on a wing and a prayer.
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RE: United Axes JFK-GRU For Good

Fri Nov 30, 2001 11:43 am

VirginA340, I think it is mainly because JFK does not work good as a hub. Congested, and the place really needs some work (which it is getting, thank god). I wouldn't call UA's JFK terminal a ghost town though, but only because it is shared with British Airways. Also, don't forget AA also flies a handful of long-haul Latin American routes out of JFK -- GRU, EZE, CCS, and GIG (resumes 15Dec). Though it is clear that AA will focus it's future on expanding its hubs. DFW and STL into domestic gateways, MIA and ORD into international gateways. AA has more point-to-point service of any of the majors, though. Newark-Heathrow, Boston-San Diego, Houston Hobby-Los Angeles, Ft. Lauderdale-Los Angeles, Caracas-Ft. Lauderdale, Austin-San Francisco(?), San Jose-Tokyo, JFK-Vancouver, Raleigh-Ft. Lauderdale, Raleigh-Gatwick, Pittsburg-Boston...the list goes on and on. It always has amazed me (though, yes, many of those cities are "focus" cities, like San Jose, while others make use of strong neighbouring O&D, like FLL). This isn't the way of the future, however, and while some of these point-to-point routes make sense (FLL routes offer Miamians an easier way to fly to AA's most popular MIA destinations (ORD, DFW, SJU, CCS (delayed), LGA, LAX, BOS, NAS, FPO) ; LAX and JFK are big O&D markets).
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RE: United Axes JFK-GRU For Good

Fri Nov 30, 2001 11:46 am

"...They should stick to ORD,DEN,LAX,SFO,MIA and EWR."

EWR???
 
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RE: United Axes JFK-GRU For Good

Fri Nov 30, 2001 12:19 pm

UnitedIAD,

Well UA does have a good number of flights out of EWR. You can call EWR a small hub for UA.

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RE: United Axes JFK-GRU For Good

Fri Nov 30, 2001 12:44 pm

Well, with the exception of LHR, UA/UAX only flies to its hubs from EWR. Not much UA connection traffic there. Getting back to the topic, I expect there will be more changes to come in UA's Latin network. I don't know if this means a build up of MIA service and the expense of JFK, or the elimination of international flying from *both* MIA and JFK (focusing on ORD/SFO/LAX/IAD instead.) Should be interesting!
 
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RE: United Axes JFK-GRU For Good

Fri Nov 30, 2001 12:46 pm

EWR also is a crew base for United. EWR has a LHR flight as well.

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RE: United Axes JFK-GRU For Good

Fri Nov 30, 2001 12:57 pm

UnitedIAD, only problem is that UA's MIA routes are already heavy O&D, and they are building a new 28-gate international terminal at MIA ($1B I think), already under construction.
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RE: United Axes JFK-GRU For Good

Fri Nov 30, 2001 1:05 pm

They should focus on IAD-Latin America, seems like a no-brainer to me.
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RE: United Axes JFK-GRU For Good

Fri Nov 30, 2001 1:09 pm

Ozark, UA did try to apply for the rights to IAD-EZE after CO dropped plans for EWR-EZE. Focusing Latin routes out of IAD could work, but again, they won't get the O&D of JFK and MIA. And JFK and MIA are also were the premium passengers are for these routes, and they will likely take the non-stop (especially those in Miami, who don't want to fly up) over a connecting flight anyday. IAD-EZE/GRU could possibly, work though. Varig and TransBrasil used to both fly to IAD (TR was, I think, GRU-BSB-IAD. RG was GRU-ATL-IAD).
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RE: United Axes JFK-GRU For Good

Fri Nov 30, 2001 1:12 pm

United has a very limited presence in JFK, I noticed this while there last week. They utilize gates 7-12, no easyInfo screens (and they use the little plastic sliding things too? come on, our UAX terminal in SFO is more technologically advanced than that), and when I was there, it was devoid of any activity except for the last flights to LAX and SFO.

For some reason I thought they were bigger in JFK than that... the SFO/LAX flights used to depart from T6, my friend pointed out specifically where. 'Tis sad.

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Fri Nov 30, 2001 1:18 pm

Good points. However, the feed alone at IAD would be worth 4-8 "major" Latin destinations, in the right size aircraft. Why compete for NYC traffic (tho they would, thru IAD and MIA) when you could go for the entire NE quarter of the country? They'll never match AA at MIA. IAD is the capitol of the nation, a high-tech corridor, and the southern-most hub in the NE.
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RE: United Axes JFK-GRU For Good

Sat Dec 01, 2001 2:53 am

Actually, UA's JFK-GRU flight will be coming back on Dec. 15 and then be suspended again on Dec. 23. It's scheduled for now to restart on March 5. But of course that can change.

Also UA will be suspending ORD-MEX-SJO and only operate ORD-MEX starting on Jan. 2. ORD-MEX-SJO is scheduled to resume on May 1.