MAS777
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Virgin Atlantic's Expansion Plans

Sat Jul 24, 1999 11:21 pm

I read recently that Virgin Atlantic is about to embark on a major expansion of its operations. The airline now plans to serve Chicago from this Autumn (even though they have not received US authority to go ahead) with a new LHR-ORD A340 service.

Virgin also plans to expand its operations in Asia with plans to serve Bangkok, Singapore and Australia very soon. How will this affect its current operations? Virgin Atlantic already code-shares with Malaysia Airlines on the LHR-KUL-SYD/MEL/ADL routes twice a day...Will this mean the end to the VS-MH tie-up?

The two airlines however have recently linked their frequent flyer programmes together - what will become of all this? Last year, Virgin Atlantic announced in the Malaysian press plans to begin an additional LHR-KUL service with its own aircraft to supplement the already busy sector...will this ever happen?

I reckon MAS should ditch the Virgin code-share and vice-versa. The two airlines are too different in nature and should go separate ways...I once flew LHR-KUL-LHR on a 'Virgin' ticket but was generally unimpressed with the code-share system. Its time that MAS just went out and compete with Singapore Airlines for traffic in the UK...there's little reason why MAS should do well on its own. Similarly, the Virgin brand is already known in Malaysia and Virgin should compete with BA for Malaysian traffic.

any thoughts?
 
Guest

RE: Virgin Atlantic's Expansion Plans

Sun Jul 25, 1999 2:11 am

Malaysia is not allowed to fly into LHR anymore they had some reckless operation. Landing a 747 with 3.2 tonnes of fuel when you need 4 for a go around and things like that. So Virgin lost out on that!
Dave
 
gardermoen
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Expansion Plans

Sun Jul 25, 1999 2:23 am

I read that Virgin were planning to ditch its code-share flights to Australia as they weren't generating enough traffic on the route. I think they would succeed if they flew their own product by themselves. The public would love it . There are plans to expand to India, Colombo and Seoul(the last two since BA withdrew from these routes) but dont know if this will actually happen.
 
flyinglen
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Expansion Plans

Sun Jul 25, 1999 11:05 am

I've read in a local aviation paper that Virgin is contemplating service to YVR(Vancouver, Canada). They'd face a lot of competition with oneworld and Air Canada, not to mention Canada 3000 and Air Transat on the charter side.

Glen... from Vancouver
 
tygue
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Expansion Plans

Sun Jul 25, 1999 11:20 am

I would love for Virgin to come into Vancouver. It would be a bummer for A/C and C3 to lose a small part of the Canada/Europe Market, but Virgin is a GREAT airline. They treat their pilots with a great deal of respect and have a great operation going on over in Europe. They would definately be one of the first airlines I would send my resume to when I am ready to fly the big boys.

Just my 16.25 cents.

Matt
 
lima
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Expansion Plans

Mon Jul 26, 1999 8:16 am

I have read on three opportunities the possible Virgin plans to fly to Buenos Aires. I think Virgin wants to be present in every market were BA does good business and enjoys little competition.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Expansion Plans

Tue Jul 27, 1999 8:07 am

Mr Branson's No.1 on his "hit-list" is India and he is pushing hard for rights to fly to Bombay and Calcutta.
He also wants Singapore (hopefully within 18 months), Bankok and Oasaka.
Virgin has said there isn't a strong enough business case for an Australian route yet - probably due to poor performance of it's Ansett/Malayisa codeshares.

Virgin have advertised the LHR-ORD service in the British press even though they don't have approval. So they are optimistic about a November 1999 start.

Virgin Sun will expand next year adding 2 more A320s for a total of 4. Gatwick and Manchester will have 2 each based there.

Long term plans call for a US domestic airline to mirror it's low fare Virgin Express in Europe
 
lima
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Expansion Plans

Tue Jul 27, 1999 10:33 pm

Another route were it mentioned to be willing to fly was Lagos, probably in association with Nigeria Airways but using Virgin aircraft.
 
FLY777UAL
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Long Term US Plans

Wed Jul 28, 1999 2:50 am

Unfortunately for Mr. Branson, his 'long term' plans will never materialize, and he will never be granted access to the US Domestic market.

FLY777UAL

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MAS777
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Expansion Plans

Sat Aug 07, 1999 6:49 am

Firstly, MAS does still fly into London-Heathrow twice daily and has also expanded to serve Manchester three-times a week - even AFTER the scandal about the fuel shortage. After investigations by both Malaysian and British Authorities...MAS has been cleared that it was not negligent and did not break IATA rules with regards to its fuel policy - perhaps a quick pause for thought for ANYONE travelling on ANY airline.

The fuel-affair has been written off in the Malaysian press as scandal on behalf of British Airways - BA and MAS have long fought over traffic rights on the busy LHR-KUL route. Their rivalry on the route goes back to the 1980s when the two airlines declared war on the route and resorted to petty tactics - like BA making MAS park miles away from the terminal at LHR and likewise BA only allowed to use the furthest gate at KUL for years..etc.

Anyway, MAS has since published all its fuel logs to the British Dept. of Transport which has found the 'low-fuel' allegations to be unsupported.

Going back to my point...I thought Vrigin was doing OK on the LHR-KUL-Oz route...the REAL problem is that Virgin doesn't advertise this route - so not many people know about it!

 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Expansion Plans

Sat Aug 07, 1999 7:04 am

I do hope that Virgin will be able to start up a low fare airline like Virgin Express in the United States. I hope (although I would never fly it because i don't like ORD one bit) that Virgin gets approval for their LHR-ORD route. Virgin only flys one flight a day into SFO, while BA flys two. Virgin could give more competition to BA by adding a second route here to SFO. Perhaps with the A340 because all I've ever seen are 747's at SFO (although I was on a camping trip once at an island over SFO's departure path for European airlines, and saw a A340 fly over on it's way out) Besides. United needs some competition on the LHR-ORD route. oneworld and Star alliances now dominate this route. Virgin would give it a fresh look and slap them (Star especially) across the face.

Moi,
Kai
 
CX747
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Expansion Plans

Sat Aug 07, 1999 7:08 am

Supposedly there was a mess up on the documentation for the LHR-ORD route between the FAA and Virgin. Virgin did not respond in the proper amount of time or something to that extent. If the route is flown it will begin with A340 equipment but move to 747s once the traffic starts to grow.
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
 
gardermoen
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Expansion Plans

Sun Aug 08, 1999 1:30 pm

I read today that Virgin are seriously looking at the possibility of launching flights in their own right to Australia, as well as to Singapore. My guess is that they are looking at a LHR-SIN-SYD B744 or A340 service atleast 4 times a week, increasing to daily later on.
 
rpwgw
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Expansion Plans

Mon Aug 09, 1999 4:47 pm

Well they are picking up 5 747-200s from Air New Zealand as we speak (formerly ZK-NZW - ZKNZZ). These aircraft were delivered new to Air New Zealand from 1981 onwards. I had been throught the first one several times at AKL between December and March. Great fun!!!

Virgin need the aircraft to take up any traffic rights that they are granted. Reputably they paid USD$150m the lot plus approximately 60,000 hours of work on maintenance/config. Some of the work may be done in China. The airframes are in good order - Air NZ flys huge sectors eg, AKL- LAX, LAX- LHR, AKL-NRT/HKG so they are only ever on the ground a few hours at a time.
 
CX747
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Names Of Planes

Tue Aug 10, 1999 12:21 am

Does anyone know that names the ANZ 747-200s will have when they join the fleet?
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
 
rpwgw
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Expansion Plans

Tue Aug 10, 1999 7:28 am

The first one in service was Honey Pie if I recall rightly.

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