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Air NZ Update

Sat Dec 01, 2001 7:12 am

Just a couple of brief snippets..

*The second to last B737-200 (ZK-NAI) was retired about a week ago, and is currently being fitted out for the 'end of lease' check. This just leaves ZK-NAB, whose last flight is planned for 18 December.

*Air NZ is hiring about 80 new reservations agents to keep up with demand.

* Loads are 100% to Australia and the Islands over the Xmas period - even with 3 daily 744 flights to Apia!


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Freedomair737
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sat Dec 01, 2001 7:43 am

good to see loads looking up and more staff being hired....
where is zk-nai going now it's not flying with air nz?
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sat Dec 01, 2001 7:48 am

Another good piece of news i guess is the inauguration of a weekly Freedomair service from Dunedin to Coolangatta bringing the number of flights weekly from Dunedin to Australia to 6.....2 x SYD, 2 x BNE, 1 x MEL, 1 x OOL......so it's good to see there is continuing growth between the 2 countries......
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sat Dec 01, 2001 7:50 am

Kudos to ANZ during these difficult times.
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sat Dec 01, 2001 7:59 am

Any chance of 762 flights to OZ being upgraded to 763 equipment?

Cheers,

Justin
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sat Dec 01, 2001 8:31 am

I found 2 744's to Apia on the 24th + a 763 but I see these flights seem pretty full!

I was looking at the seats open part of their shedules
and on LHR and LAX-AKL sectors it stats that there are no seats on alot of the flights! Good to see more people coming down under!  Smile
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sat Dec 01, 2001 8:48 am

From what I hear from my colleagues, Air NZ's Sydney staff morale is very bad and employees are leaving the airline so that they can take advantage of Ansett's generous redundancy offer. Why in the world would you stay at Air NZ and miss out on the package.

Working for Air NZ can be seen as very negative especially in Australia after what they did to Ansett Australia. Feelings towards Air NZ is very bad.

Air NZ recently released their "2 for the price of 1" in Business and First Class. If you are smart, you would know that such a deal is a "rip off" as the 1st ticket had to be purchased at full published level and when you think about, you can purchase 1 ticket at 50% discount so therefore, you can purchase 2 at the same price as one full published level.

You would have thought that Air NZ would have learnt the lesson of not to play "dumb" in the marketplace after their expensive play (US$600 million) for 12 months at Ansett.

My concern is on their product standard which is getting very outdated. For example, their First Class needs an urgent replacement. Competitors are offering sleeper seats and NZ is offering the old traditional seats and there are no plans for an upgrade for a couple of years. Their business class is also outdated where airlines such as BA, CX and SQ are installation sleeper seats. There are plans for QF to install sleeper seats in J class but QF have electronic seats in current J class which is not very old either. Compared to Air NZ which still uses manual J class seats...no wonder they are not a market leader and innovator.

With a decrease in SQ's investment in Air NZ, I don't think SQ cares what Air NZ is up to. SQ was always interested in tapping the Australian domestic market through the acquiring Ansett Australia. However, it was the ego of the Kiwis that made them acquire 100% of Air NZ (Bad Move). Greed brings about negative consequences and this is a case study we can use for many years to come.

With SQ unsuccessful in its investment strategy, it needs lots of capital to fix Virgin Atlantic which is on the brinks of collapse. If VS collapses, their will be negative implications for SQ in which it has 49% stakeholding. One hopes this will not happen but all signs point to a disasterious financial reporting from VS and as a result, this will drag SQ into RED for the first time at a significant level as they will have to book the losses of VS into their balance sheet.
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sat Dec 01, 2001 9:45 am

Anzett/SQ pilot/singapore_sq/Gina

Our Sydney office proper consists of 4 people, none of which have left Air NZ.
Checkin staff etc have always been employed by NZ and worked seperately to AN - therefore they would *not* be eligible for AN's redundancy offer, which as far as I know doesn't exist - apart from 3 weeks pay which is OWED to them anyway!

As for the inflight product - it's basic but sound. Upgrade was planned to start in August, but due to AN/Sep 11 didn't happen - quite rightly, other things take priority.

2 for 1 deal? I suggest you look a bit closer at what the offer actually is.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to reply to someone who's variously claimed to be an aviation consultant, a male, a female, a Singapore Airlines co-pilot, to live in Cathay City, etc... but I'll let readers judge who has the more credibility.

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RE: Air NZ Update

Sat Dec 01, 2001 10:19 am

IS Air NZ hiring some people in Canada?  Big grin I wouldn't mind to work there.
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sat Dec 01, 2001 10:35 am

Wow, a B744 into Apia. I assume that would be one of the few B747 flights to have ever landed there. By the way, Apia is the capital of Samoa?
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sat Dec 01, 2001 11:05 am

* Loads are 100% to Australia and the Islands over the Xmas period - even with 3 daily 744 flights to Apia!


Not that surprising in view of the Ansett failure and the overall reduction in capacity.
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sat Dec 01, 2001 11:07 am

TG992,

I think you better get your facts right because you are WRONG! I think you are kidding yourself by pretending to know how many Air NZ staff there are at the Sydney office.

I know what I am talking about as I have friends who work at Air NZ Sydney office and I can tell you there are more than 4 people there...try 30 plus as they have their fares and ticketing department there, account managers, marketing team, sales support and customer relations plus the airport staff who work at the lounge and the check-in supervisors. For your information, Qantas do Air NZ's check-in at Sydney airport and the premium desk staff wear Air NZ uniform (ugly by the way).

I don't think you know what you are talking about...what do you mean by Cathay City...where dod you get this from? Please get your facts correct before opening your BIG MOUTH!
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sat Dec 01, 2001 11:22 am

Must say singapore_sq you have spoken well. I have said many times here the truth hurts our so called collegues from the tiny Island accross the ditch
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sat Dec 01, 2001 12:02 pm

1. Ansett didn't fly Trans-Tasman OR any of the Islands except NAN (Fiji)

2. I see you're now living in the UK, singapore_sq - strange as 60 minutes ago your address was 'CX City'.

3. If you'd like to email me the name of ONE person who works in our SYD office and whose name isn't known to the general public, I'll doubt your word no longer.

Getting back to the original point of this thread.. the 744s do visit NAN ocasionally. It's the main alternate airport if AKL and CHC are closed.

The Trans-Tasman flights will be frequently operating as 763s next year.

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RE: Air NZ Update

Sat Dec 01, 2001 1:44 pm

SQ HAS written off its investment in Virgin Atlantic. THe only exposure they have to VS now is if they're gonna collapse and need extra funding. If VS makes a billion pound loss, SQ will not bear half of it.

Air NZ's doing so well now 'cos Asians(like myself) are shunning the USA and Europe for safer destinations like Australia and NZ this holiday period.

Air NZ did make bad investment decisions in AN and SQ made bad investment decisions in Air NZ. We MUST NOT get personal here because no single person was involved in this. Entire entities and organisations were involved. And a company is a company, DUH. Companies have no feelings!

We should just all learn how to pick up the pieces and move on
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sat Dec 01, 2001 2:59 pm

Product outdated??
look at many world wide carriers that are doing great, even though they donot have the "innovated product" installed, and also look at the carriers with the "innovated product" installed. Who is doing better at present?? The carriers with out the fancy gadgets as they have less expenses to be paid off!! If you are one to fly on an airline with Fancy gadgets then by all means do it, no one is holding a gun to your head saying, "Fly AirNZ"!! Or are they??

Inflight product....hmmm.....musnt be too bad, Voted Best J class 1999/2000, and came 4th this year.
Voted best Y class seat for an intl airline. PTV;s are on the way hopefully by next year for 744/763. (Rep E-mailed friend about it). And voted best airline to fly into LHR, this year, in many travel magazines. They were always in the top 4. So There product must not be that "out-dated" even though they have higher fares then most other airlines!! hmmm, you say you live in London, well, your fellow citizens dont have a problem, and BA is one with the "Fancy gadgets", AirNZ must be doing something right in order to be getting high load factors, compared to BA!!

Now First Class. It musnt be bad, as it is always sold out on LHR-LAX, LAX-AKL v.v. I am not sure about Tokya though sorry. And F/C is only used on these three routes. Why make it fancy when you are competing against airlines with basically the same product as you??

As i say, AirNZ concentrates on Economy class pax, and you can see this at the consistant awards they win for there Economy class service/seats/IFE. J class is also usually winning awards but not as much as Y. (Not so much IFE now...lol.... Smile)

Many people discourage AirNZ, especialy from the UK and Europe, yet they donot know hardly anything about the carrier, nor its employees!!

I am not doubting your friend Singapore_sq!! You may be right, but i am believing TG992, as he works for AirNZ in reservations!! Key Towers...lol!!

And by the way, Aussie staff morale in SYD who work for NZ has always been bad, you just need to ask the Pax on the SYD-LAX route (lol)!!

Good to hear this about AirNZ...And by the way just an update, Dec14 is the only avaliable flight open from 1st dec-12 jan, WHERE ALL flights are booked out. Same as Qantas!!

Cya guys later
Safe flying!
Mikey
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sat Dec 01, 2001 4:09 pm

Hi everyone

I fly AirNZ from Europe to the pacific/NZ about 3 times a year (usually in J). Air NZ J class is very good, excellent food and wines and even better service. The lack of electric seat controls really doesn't make any difference, and the seats are very comfortable. A bed would be better, but I've never had a problem sleeping in the seat, as it reclines quite far down (enough so that you can sleep on your side). I'm not sure if I agree with Mikey's statement that AirNZ concentrates on it's Y class product, because J class is certainly very good and doesn't feel outdated at all. J is usually almost full on the LHR-LAX route.

About the 744s to the Pacific, until November 2000 AirNZ had one weekly 747-400 flight Auckland - Nadi - Los Angeles and back (it departed LAX on Thursday nights), but this was cut due to decreased loads after the coup in Fiji, and now only the Friday and Saturady 767-300 flights remain. They also used to fly the 747s into Rarotonga, but I think this stopped in the mid 90s.

Air NZ is a great airline, and is definately comparable with Singapore Airlines and Cathay, especially in J  Smile

Cheers, Zac

P.S. for really good information on AirNZ, check out the Air New Zealand Airpoints forum on www.flyertalk.com - most of the people who post there are frequent flyers (and there is a guy who works for Airpoints too) and their posts are really interesting
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sat Dec 01, 2001 5:47 pm

Kudos to TG992. Hoorah!

FYI Singapore_SQ, Virgin Atlantic Airways Limited made Singapore Airlines Limited a profit of £7.2 million in the H1 ending 30 September 2001.

Also, Which?, which is the UK's leading consumer company which tests loads of things to see what is best, this year announced that ANZ had beaten SIA to the top spot in a 5-year reign by SIA. I was disappointed but was also impressed by ANZ. Couldn't be that bad then can it?

Air New Zealand - Equity Partner of Singapore Airlines
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sat Dec 01, 2001 6:45 pm

For F%#$@ sake,

Do we have to have the Ansett thing brought up everytime Air NZ is mentioned in these threads.
Jesus, everyone knows what happened; thats been thrashed about enough around here!

Not fair on those of us who had nothing to do with it, or in fact those of us who just want to discuss aviation and not the politics surrounding it.

Go back to the last Air NZ thread which started over someone admiring an Air NZ photo; and see how it turned out.

Mike  Sad
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sat Dec 01, 2001 9:25 pm

AirNewZealand,

Please note that the only reason why Air NZ's First Class is sold out is because they give away "complimentary" upgrade voucher to Air Points members who are Gold and Gold Elite members.

Air NZ's awards are old and many years back dated so therefore, I would not classify them in the award-winning airline category. As for the Y class product, they are missing the PTV's which I've heard are onhold due funding problems and that the airline cannot afford them. This is not a high priority for them. If they do get them, they will only install them on 8 Boeing 747-400 aircrafts. Not much to make a huge impact.

Singapore_Air,

The Virgin Atlantic issue will be a different ball game since September 11th. Keep your eyes open for a huge loss that will eat into Singapore Airlines' profits. I personally think VS is on the brinks of collapsing any moment. Even SQ would not be able to rescue them as they are finding business difficult themselves. I think they should concentrate on their own business and let others run theirs. They have a bad habit of sniffing into other people's business and when they do grab them, they make a Loss. I wish once for all, SQ can run their own business and make improvements to its own bottom line.

TG992,

For your information, I do not need to clarify any names but since you insist, I can tell you that the new Regional Manager for Air NZ Australia is Paul Donovan.


 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sun Dec 02, 2001 3:53 am

Hi Singapore_sq

I think I'm going to have to add myself to the list of 3 or 4 people who have already pointed out that you haven't got your facts straight. AirNZ do give free upgrade vouchers to Gold and Gold Elite Airpoints members (I'm Gold Elite), but it is only two per year, and they are only one-class upgrades (i.e. you can't upgrade from economy to first, only from business to first). Also, upgrades to first are only confirmed 72 hours before the flight, so if you look on a reservation system and see that first is full, and the flight is more than 3 days away, then you know that it is full of revenue pax who are actually paying for their tickets. Saying that F is only sold out because of free upgrade vouchers is a bit strange, you obviously just made it up.

Cheers, Zac
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:21 am

Agree with Fqtv. By far the most upgrade certificates get used upgrading Y to J. And as mentioned, Gold Elite and Gold flyers only get 2 per year (ie enough for only one return trip). Silver members get just one. Also, they are one sector upgrades only, although for some reason, I did manage to use some AKL-LHR return a few years ago  Smile

Fqtv - I think for Jade and Silver members the upgrades are only confirmed 72 hours before departure, but am pretty sure that Gold & Gold Elite can have them confirmed at time of booking(?)
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:25 am

Just checked. You're right.

"International:Two single sector one class complimentary upgrades when youtravel internationally on an Air New Zealand flight. These upgrades may be confirmed, subject to seat availability, up to 72 hours before your requested flight......"
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:44 am

We only have 8 747-400s.
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sun Dec 02, 2001 5:43 am

Singapore_SQ: True true, however the way you portray the airline that you supposedly works for is odd. Don't Cathay or some other airline have jobs going round?
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sun Dec 02, 2001 11:19 am

Outdated?? NZ won awards this year..These being outdated..OK!! Then your country must be outdated!! Because we won best airline to service the UK!! along with about 6 awards!

F/C is always full becuase we have a awesome product and service to give!

Its not like passengers (people not interested in the aviation industry) know what a PTV is! Only SQ and CX promote them. Many pax go on Staff!! And this is why NZ get so many pax and there loads are high! Becuase of this! AirNZ have the best staff in the business!!

I cannot be bothered arguing with you as you honestly donot know anything about them!

And you can get the manager from any schedule or AirNZ website!
Cheers
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RE: Air NZ Update

Sun Dec 02, 2001 11:48 am

Hi B744,

the upgrade voucher rules are a bit complicated  Smile

Golds get 2 single sector, one class upgrade vouchers per year, which may be confirmed 72 hours before the flight

Gold Elites also get 2 single sector, one class upgrade vouchers, but they are actually much better. Upgrades from economy to business are confirmed up to a year before the flight. This means as soon as you book your ticket, you can call airpoints, request the upgrade, and if there is space in business they will upgrade you right there and then on the phone. Upgrades from business to first are only confirmed 72 hours before the flight. Also, and this is probably the best bit, the Gold Elite upgrade vouchers are fully transferable. So if your friend if flying AirNZ you can call airpoints and have them upgraded (also confirmed right there and then) using your own voucher. They don't even need to be an airpoints member, or on your gift recipient list. Great for girlfriends, etc.  Smile

Silvers get one one-class upgrade, confirmable at 24 hours (I think), but it is only valid on routes from NZ to Australia, the Pacific and Asia. As AirNZ doesn't offer first class on these routes, it's basically just a Y to J upgrade voucher.

Jades (=regular Airpoints members) can only have their upgrades confirmed at checkin or at the gate, unless the flight is oversold in Y in which case the upgrades may be confirmed earlier.

I also got upgraded all the way from AKL-LHR using one voucher! Do you think this always works? It was only a few months ago, so I guess things haven't changed

Cheers, Zac
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Mon Dec 03, 2001 12:51 pm

The fact is Air New Zealand is suffering and that TG992 does not want to face the fact that their airline is in financial crisis and the only reason why Air NZ was resuced was for national reasons.

The questions remain Why did Air NZ wash their hands on Ansett Australia?

* In the first instance, if Air NZ could not afford and have the management expertise to operate a larger airline such as Ansett Australia, why did they buy it?

* The integration of the two airlines were so mismanaged that whole airline system didn't know what they were doing? As the saying goes, the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing!

* Air NZ will not see a major product upgrade for some years to come as funds in the kitty have run out in buying Ansett Australia.

* Air NZ's First, Business and Economy Classes do not compare at all to the likes of SQ, CX, VS, EK, BA and QF. Best of luck NZ if you want to catch up with the innovators.

* Airlines such as SQ, CX, BA, VS have installed beds in J class and further more, CX, AC, VS and a few have added and/or will be adding intranet and inflight email system...when do we expect NZ to see these innovations....long long long time away!
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Mon Dec 03, 2001 1:37 pm

The fact is Air New Zealand is suffering and that TG992 does not want to face the fact that their airline is in financial crisis and the only reason why Air NZ was resuced was for national reasons.

Now, I don't want to make conclusion that whether TG992 is going to face that his company got screwed up financially.

All I have to say is that TG992, as an Air NZ employee, he doesn't have to face the fact. In face, all Air NZ employee EXCEPT the management department don't have to face the problem of the company is running out of money. The employees doesn't do much about screwing their own airline for running out of money. It's the management department who screwed the company.

The questions remain Why did Air NZ wash their hands on Ansett Australia?

Selfishly, and I'm not trying to make Aussie's pissed off. Air NZ did the right decision of dumping Ansett Australia. Look at the example of Swissair/Sabena (Eventhough Swissair is bigger than Sabena). Swissair didn't walk away from Sabena "at the right time", and the result? Swissair screwed Sabena and screwed themselves.

I also suggested that the question should be: The questions remain Why did Air NZ and SIA wash their hands on Ansett Australia?

Air NZ is the first airline to invest on AN. SIA is the 2nd. Just because AN got screwed up, so you want ANZ to take all the responsibility? then what about SIA? Just because SIA is NOT the first airline to invest AN, so they have nothing to do about the demise of AN?
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Mon Dec 03, 2001 1:43 pm

OK Singapore sq why was Air NZ voted as having one of the best Business classes in the world 2nd I think, and their economy class is often said to be superior to other major airlines including SQ. The only thing NZ lack is PTV's.

Scott.  Smile
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Mon Dec 03, 2001 1:44 pm

Singapore_sq,

Does that mean that PTVs are the only thing in the world that matter in Economy Class? NZ have probably the best economy class seat in the world along with the best legroom in this region, and amongst the best in the world in this regard. Just because NZ doesn't have PTVs doesn't mean that it is not comparable to SQ, et al.

I'll admit that the NZ First Class product is quite outdated, infact their Business Class product looks better - relatively speaking. Their J product is quite good, if not outstanding by the latest offerings from some airlines.

Having said that NZ should have never touched AN. People such as Selwyn Cushing should never be able to touch airlines again - there are 16,000 good reasons why downunder.

Rod Eddington's comments about AN are just as true for NZ, "A great airline, but a poor business". You won't find many critics of NZ's service.

Cheers,

Justin
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Mon Dec 03, 2001 1:54 pm

Eventhough the superior in-flight service can attract more customers. But when you got more customers, it doesn't mean you'll financial status will always be healthy. You have to add the other factors in this world.

Look at Delta, the world's largest airline to transport 100+million passenger a year, recently issued financial warnings that could put the airline in crisis. (Because the factor of 911)

As well as Swissair(pre 9-11), the airline it's not in a good shape financially, eventhough it also got superior in-flight service to attract more customers. But does their money amount goes higher?
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Mon Dec 03, 2001 3:38 pm

Air New Zealand's Business Class is NOT an award winning product as they are old, uncomfortable and at times, you get the old hen serving you with a rudeness.

I don't think Air NZ will ever be an innovator and they shouldn't because they are a Leisure Airline. They try to be a coporate airline but with a product such as their First Class and Business Class, they should just make it a BusinessFirst product and concentrate their efforts in being a Leisure Based Airlines that it is known for.

Yes, Singapore Airlines should be blamed for the demise of Ansett Australia as they were a corner stone investor in Air New Zealand. Why have SQ Boys escaped? Is it because Australian Securities and Investment Commission (ASIC) are after them. Trust me, ASIC will not leave Gary Toomey, Dr Cheong Kong, Michael Tan and Selwyn Cushing and the rest of the A Team Board of Directors alone...they have plenty to answer for.

The Game does not finish here...it will continue for many years to come so get ready for some real action guys!
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Mon Dec 03, 2001 4:24 pm

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz  Yawn
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Mon Dec 03, 2001 5:07 pm

the 9/11 is being used as an excuse for airlines going bankrupt etc, but in actual fact the world was in a financial recession long before then..
Flown to 120 Airports in 44 Countries on 73 Operators. Visited 55 Countries and counting. Wanderlust is like Syphilis, once you have the itch it's too late for treatment.
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Mon Dec 03, 2001 8:48 pm

I am also going to sleep on Air NZ

Not worth the effort as they are not an airline of any distinction merit. Not worth debating about them. They are useless and if they treat Ansett Australia as they did, then there turn will come day. I am very annoyed with Air NZ's attitude towards Ansett's situation.

Off I go to the snooze zone: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Tue Dec 04, 2001 7:07 am

Hhhhhmmm,

Air New Zealand winning business & economy class awards?

WHAT ABOUT ANSETT INTERNATIONAL?

Now that was award winning....!

No one dare question me on that!

mb
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Tue Dec 04, 2001 7:14 am

Singapore_SQ: Snooze? Try Air New Zealand's First Class with a nice cabin ambience and relaxing surroundings.
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RE: Air NZ Update

Tue Dec 04, 2001 7:23 am

Fqtv,

Yeah it is all a bit confusing. I was talking a an Air NZ rep one time and they said that complimentary upgrade certificates were only one sector, and AKL-LHR was actually two sectors. But, over the last few years, I managed to use my complimentaries twice AKL_LHR return (once when Gold & once Gold Elite) and also managed to use a silver upgrade cert. a few years ago AKL-LHR one way. Maybe the rep didn't know what she was on about.

What do you think about the extra hassle at LAX now for transiting pax on NZ1 / NZ2? Seems that having to claim your baggage and clear it through US Customs just places a large extra burden on the authorities there. Thought it would be safer to leave it on the plane!

Cheers
B744
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Tue Dec 04, 2001 7:55 am

The fact that Air NZ may have screwed Ansett over doesn't affect their in flight service.

At the end of the day, Air NZ has superb in flight service. I am flying them to ZQN to Xmas, 5 flights in all and I can't wait!!!!

 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Tue Dec 04, 2001 10:32 am

Why have SQ Boys escaped? Is it because Australian Securities and Investment Commission (ASIC) are after them.

Don't you still think it's better to let SQ take some responsibilities eventhough they have some "Privilege" with ASIC backing them up?

Sigapore_SQ: You give me an impression that you don't really like ANZ since they screwed Ansett, fine, that's your decision.

But you give me an impression that you don't like ANZ's service at all. Eventhough if you don't like it, but others still likes ANZ's unique and excellent service from NZ.
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Tue Dec 04, 2001 12:32 pm

I have some stories to tell about ANZ disgusting service and flight attendants who do not deserve to be in the Airline. One of the guys who i worked with was travelling on ANZ coming back from the pacific and he had food thrown at him by the Cabin staff because he was Ansett staff. the check in staff were not much better but this sounds very typical of the quality that you would expect from and airline that is only a feeder service anyway. I hope the day of justice will come and come really soon it6 will make my day
 
jasewgtn
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RE: Air NZ Update

Tue Dec 04, 2001 1:12 pm

I bags that we take the soap box away from F27, as he has obviously never been on Air NZ and is speaking purely from bitter hear-say.

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JSC_23
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RE: Air NZ Update

Tue Dec 04, 2001 1:34 pm

It's just too sad that when you guys can't find fault with Air New Zealands superior service you have to drag up the Ansett debarcle.

F27 If we are judgeing airlines on hair-say then i have only bad words for Ansett...earier this year my parents travelled to Bali aboard Ansett..the crew my mother says were the grumpiest load of bi*ch's she had ever met...I guess my mother is having the last laugh!!
She travelled Business Class and was very disappointed with it...she travels on a semi regular basis and said she would prefer to travel Air New Zealand economy as quite frankly apart from the difference in price there is no other differences.An airline with this many faults can't blame Air New Zealands management for 100%.
Also this man who had food thrown at him...If it was before the debarcle between Air NZ/Ansett why would they throw food at him when they are friends/partner airlines....if it was after the incident the attendents had every right to what they did because look at what you did to our PM...and aircraft in Melbourne.
Also he must have made some comment or else how would they know he worked for Ansett!!!!

Singapore_sq: What would you rather have a great service/staff or PTV's (Although Singapore Airlines has them both!!!). New Zealand is a very behind nation when it comes to funds and technology but we manage fine..I guess thats why we are so popular...what has Air New Zealand done to make you so upset?
Another great aspect about Air New Zealand is our great..frienly and experienced pilots...who cares if the equipment is old as long as it's well maintained and you have experienced pilots up the front...look at Air New Zealands almost perfect safety record.

Anyway everyones entitled to their opinions but please get your facts straight and don't go hating us on rumours and untrue acqusations.

Cheers
JSC_23
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ZK-NBT
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RE: Air NZ Update

Tue Dec 04, 2001 1:54 pm

OK Singapore sq and F27 why don't you 2 stay out of this thread because as usual we get into pathetic fights over nothing! If you can't speak PROPERLY I don't give a TOSS what you want to say just don't say it!

Ansett Australia was a top rated carrier frequently!
And how can NZ's service be screwed because of AN NZ's cabin crew don't run the airline do they? Maybe they should though. Those crew just continue to work hard and offer award winning service!

Scott.
 
NZ767
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RE: Air NZ Update

Tue Dec 04, 2001 2:54 pm

Better still, F27, why don't you go see a counsellor and get it off your chest?

A lot of people around here are peeved off with Air NZ because of what they did, but they don't go on and on and on and on like a broken record about it like you do.

You're actually becoming quite a bore!

Mike
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Tue Dec 04, 2001 3:20 pm

I am looking at Air NZ from LAX-AKL on Dec 14 2002.. Any thoughts?

Chris
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b744
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RE: Air NZ Update

Tue Dec 04, 2001 5:02 pm

F27 - yeah I bet that really happened  Nuts

Airlinelover - you might be lucky to get a seat! TG992 or Jase may be able to confirm, but I had friends trying to get here about that time and found most of the flights fully booked. If you do manage to get a seat on NZ, I'm sure you will enjoy it. And, hope you have a great time down under.
 
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RE: Air NZ Update

Tue Dec 04, 2001 5:05 pm

Take it youll love the experience. They are the best airline flying this route!!
Cheers
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RE: Air NZ Update

Tue Dec 04, 2001 6:37 pm

Forget flying Air NZ, fly Qantas...the True Blue Aussie Airline.

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