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2 Vs 3 Class Airlines.

Sun Dec 02, 2001 3:18 am

I posted this once before, but didn't really get a lot of feedback, so I'm posting it again. What airlines have two class layouts and what airlines have three class layouts? Which ones have sleeper seats in first class? Which airlines have PTVs in first? First and business? The whole aircraft? If only some of an airline's aircraft have PTVs, which types and are they in just first? First and business? The whole aircraft? Tell me as many airlines as you can think of. Thanks!
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RE: 2 Vs 3 Class Airlines.

Sun Dec 02, 2001 3:40 am

El Al Israel Airlines was thinking of turning from 3 class layouts (F, C & Y) into just two, meaning, cancelling it's 1st class and creating a new C-F class, however, last week the airline manegment had decided to cancel this idea and to maintain 1st class (full flat beds) together with forming a new C/class (55"-60" etc'...)

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RE: 2 Vs 3 Class Airlines.

Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:05 am

which brings the question:

which is better, 2-class or 3-class service?
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RE: 2 Vs 3 Class Airlines.

Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:18 am

It all depends on what you are looking for. For the vast majority of the flying public, who fly economy class, could care less if the airplane has three cabins or two cabins. Economy class is all the same to them, two cabins, three cabins, it doens't matter. Now, for the people that do fly upfront it depends, again, on what they are looking for. Three cabin aircraft are excellent for high yield international flights. such as LAX-CDG, ORD-LHR, JFK-LHR, etc., etc. For those who can afford it, whose businesses can afford it, or elite members the first class sleeper cabins are a great deal. It's no doubt the most comfortable way to fly. On the same note, business class, on a three cabin aircraft, is a more affordable alternative to first class. It also offers the opportunity for more upgrades for elite members. Like I said, it's all in how you look at it. Travel safe.....
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RE: 2 Vs 3 Class Airlines.

Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:31 am

FrequenyFlyKid is right. 3-class is better for yields, probably, but it all just depends on what you like. One correction, though. LAX-CDG is not very high-yield. Why do you think UA and AA both dropped the route this September (before 9/11)? Though it does make money for AF, I would assume. From the US, internationally, UA, US, and AA are three-class. CO and DL are two-class. I believe NW is 3-class too. UA and AA also use 3-class service heavily on trans-cons between JFK/IAD/BOS/MIA and LAX/SFO/SEA and hub routes. While 3-class service is great, it is cheaper to run a 2-class plane, but a 3-class plane can, in return, bring you higher yields.
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RE: 2 Vs 3 Class Airlines.

Sun Dec 02, 2001 7:31 am

I personally like the idea of airlines maintaining 3 Class.
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RE: 2 Vs 3 Class Airlines.

Sun Dec 02, 2001 7:35 am

Thanks a lot for your info! What about the airlines that have three classes, PTVs, etc. (besides the ones you've listed)?

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RE: 2 Vs 3 Class Airlines.

Sun Dec 02, 2001 7:45 am

Dont forget the 4 class airline... BA.

Anyone know of any other 4 class airlines???
I know for fact the Virgin is 3 class because it combined business and first, it used to be two class, until the age of cattle plus as i call it.
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RE: 2 Vs 3 Class Airlines.

Sun Dec 02, 2001 8:21 am

UA Also has 4 Class.........Economy, Economy Plus, Business, and First. But only on some aircraft.
SQ has 2&3 class. Some of it's 777s have 2 class while the rest of the fleet has 3 class. The 2 class 777s are mainly used on leisure routes such as Brisbane, Nagoya, Adelaide etc.
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RE: 2 Vs 3 Class Airlines.

Sun Dec 02, 2001 10:02 am

United Airlines will be using 4 class planes on all international ocean crossing routes. The three types of planes that are used mainly on international travel are teh 763, 777, and the 744.

On the 777 and the 747 there is the first suite which will fold into a flat bed. These planes are equiped with PTVs for the passengers in first. Also on the 747 and the 777, Business is being outfitted with more room creating "Enhanced Business." The seats recline farther than before, and there is more leg room. Row 9 on the 777 is wonderful with Enhanced Biz.

The 767-300 also has 3 classes of service. There is the first class cabin with 10 seats (no sleepers), the business class cabin with 32 seats (all with Enhanced Biz), Economy Plus, and standard economy. Every passenger on the 767 as well as the 777 has a PTV. On the 747, First and Biz class only has PTVs.

United is also equiping their entire international fleet with new seats. These seats feature adjustable headrests, and are designed to support your back much better.

United Airlines runs 3 class 767-200s on the transcons from JFK/BOS to SFO/LAX. They feature the older seat designes, and no PTVs, but with excellent service you hardly notice.

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RE: 2 Vs 3 Class Airlines.

Sun Dec 02, 2001 11:29 am

EVA AIR was the first airline to introduce 4-class service. Virgin Atlantic also has 4-class service on some planes (upper class) i think.
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RE: 2 Vs 3 Class Airlines.

Sun Dec 02, 2001 1:09 pm

SQ B772s 2 class layouts are flown on Kuala Lumpur, Jarkata, Colombo, Penang, Chicago, Copenhagen, Amsterdam, Rome.Soon on Jeddah.

Brisbane and Nagoya are with 3 class configurations B772s, not sure of Adelaide.

Cathay Also flies 2 class configurations.

Did Ansett International flew 4 class?My friend said that seats on upper deck were sorta like...wider or better?Not sure about that.

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RE: 2 Vs 3 Class Airlines.

Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:16 pm

Delta is a two class airline- either First class and Economy or Business Elite and Economy.

BizElite has PTVs.
Deltas 777's have PTVs and I believe the same IFE system as BizElite in economy.

Deltas 767-400s has ptvs and the same IFE system as BizElite, but that is it for PTVs in first.. the rest of the fleet with the standard fist class do not have PTVs. Hopefully they add PTVs in first on the rest of the fleet in the future.
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RE: 2 Vs 3 Class Airlines.

Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:49 pm

9V-SPK, how come the one that landed in Nagoya was 9V-SRB, a 2 class 777.
Brisbane is nearly always served by 9V-SRs, check the photo database.
The only photo of a SQ 777 in Adelaide is that of 9V-SRB, a 2 classer.
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RE: 2 Vs 3 Class Airlines.

Sun Dec 02, 2001 6:58 pm

I'd call the UA setup a 3.5 class airline.

Economy Plus is hardly a new class, note the retention of "Economy" in the title. All it is, is a bit more legroom, otherwise the product is the same - and you do purchase Economy tickets to sit there.

That is different to a VS Premium Economy which is a more substantial offering than merely extra legroom.


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RE: 2 Vs 3 Class Airlines.

Sun Dec 02, 2001 8:37 pm

Of course, BA also has flat beds in Club as well as First. No doubt the other carriers will race to catch up, but for the moment they have a serious competitive advantage.
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RE: 2 Vs 3 Class Airlines.

Sun Dec 02, 2001 11:38 pm

For short to medium haul flights, two classes makes sense. Passengers just won't have the opportunity to sleep even if the seat could be folded flat.

For long-haul, I guess airlines have to keep in mind that there are some people who just can't tolerate anything but first class for such a long journey!
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RE: 2 Vs 3 Class Airlines.

Mon Dec 03, 2001 7:29 am

AN Intl. was two class, not 4.

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