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What's Your Plan To Being Hired At A Major ?

Sun Jul 25, 1999 11:18 am

If your flight training what are your plans to gain experience to get to the majors, or another jet operator, or maybe even corporate.

You have to make yourselves a plan and stick to it.

Anyone thought about it?

I hear so many people wanting but I never here any plans.
 
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RE: What's Your Plan To Being Hired At A Major ?

Sun Jul 25, 1999 11:27 am

JetPilot,

You bring up a very good point.

I started my flight training very young compared to most. I have done a bit of reading and there is a major worldwide pilot shortage forecasted for around 2010, which happens to be about perfect for me. Now, I am not going to find out that this prediction was wrong and I waited around for nothing. I was thinking about the Armed Forces, who give you good flight experience. The Canadian Armed Forces currently has a few A310's on hand, giving a good gateway into Commercial Aviation.

Second, if the first does not work out, and I doubt it will, I am looking at a college in Castlegar, BC, that offers flight training and experience at the airport, located really close to teh school. From there, possibly a right seat position at Canadian Regional on a Dash 8.

Never know what opprotunities might jump in front of you, but it is always good to have a plan, I agree.

First things first, gotta get than damn medical done  

Take care,
Matt
 
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RE: What's Your Plan To Being Hired At A Major ?

Sun Jul 25, 1999 11:46 am

Some pitfalls you might experience along your journey are...

The military doesn't fly very much, and they always want some type of commitment. Usually a few years.

The worldwide pilot shortage is a gimmick that i've heard for the past ten years. Too many variables come into play such as world economies as a MAJOR ONE. Don't plan on it happening. And don't base your decision on becoming a pilot on it.

The airlines are always looking ffor qualified people, and you need to be one of them at their doorstep at the right time. The airlines might only need a few pilot in ten years. But if the timing(very important uncontrollable variable) Then you'll be there to meet the demand.

My suggestion is to go to flight school first, before college, and get all your liscences, and instruct while in college. You will probably get college credit for your liscences anyway. It would take about 8 months at a 141 school like FLightSafety . A great program despite JFK jr. killing himself.

My experience was that college was no place to do flight training.

Their will need to be some way of gaining experience between finishing your college and a commuter. The commuters will not comer banging on your door. This is when you will understand the meaning of "will fly for food". You need experience.
 
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RE: What's Your Plan To Being Hired At A Major ?

Sun Jul 25, 1999 11:54 am

fly with usmc the goto united prety easy!
 
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Question For Jetpilot

Sun Jul 25, 1999 12:57 pm

I am currently in a career field that I am looking to get out of. I have always desired to be a commercial pilot, and I'm now focused on obtaining that goal. My question is: In my situation, would the best route be to fly at a local airport to get my certificates, or should I enroll in a commercial aviation school and pay as I go? I would have to do either while I hold down my 40 hour a week job. Would getting my licenses through a local airport be desirable to an airline down the road? After getting licensed, obviously I would have to build up time instructing. Any info would help me tremendously.

NAL757
 
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RE: Question For Jetpilot

Sun Jul 25, 1999 1:27 pm

The only option available to you would be to go to your local flight school and complete the training at your convenience. The accelerated schools you were refering to are a full time commitment.

From my experiences I have found the best training to be found at the newly set up Cessna learning centers. They have a computer based corriculum laid out for you to complete on your home computer, and have tests at the end of each computer lesson plan to make sure your up to speed. It makes the whole learning process much more thorough and enjoyable. Everything gets covered and nothing is missed. Weaknesses will show up on your file and the instructor can emphasise those lessons more emphatically.

You get to fly brand new 172 skyhawks which is very nice. The prices are about 90 per hour for the plane and 30 for the instructor. Those are a ballpark but a fair guess.They have a intro flight for like $50. Take it and see.

Be prepared to go over 40 hours for you private. Everyone does. It's a long road to the CFI and a tough commitment without a primary job. Be prepared.

I put together some links for you. A good place to begin.

Cessna Schools

BeAPilot

AOPA Good learn to fly section. Become a member if you can. Good monthly magazine. Will be happy to help you in any way become a pilot.

Drop me an E-mail.
 
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RE: What's Your Plan To Being Hired At A Major ?

Sun Jul 25, 1999 1:45 pm

My plan to become an airline pilot is get my private license and get at least 125 hours before I'm 18. I need those 125 hours to get into The University of North Dakota. UND has a very good ATP major, with that major comes your commercial pilot license and other stuff that you'll need. The plane I'll fly there is a Beech BeechJet, from what i have heard is a good plane. At UND the Airbus Spectrum program comes along with the ATP major. The ATP program is in part run by NWA. For more info check out WWW.UND.EDU

Another good midwest college with a good ATP program is Minnesota State-Mankato in Mankato, Minnesota. It also offers a ATP major but not all the stuff UND offers. If you want more info post questions and I'll answer them if i know the answer, or go to www.mankato.msus.edu
C YA.
 
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Oh L-188. This Is Your Dept. Lay Down The Law...

Sun Jul 25, 1999 2:01 pm

Both I and L-188 are alumnus of UND. Not very happy ones I might add. For separate reasons however. What is promissed to you isn't what's always delivered. The spectum program costs bucks and I believe prepares you for nothing. When your done you're still low time and looking for a job. Less prepared then someone with a CFI.

The winters there are hell. And many days are no fly days. There's no airspace to speak of. You won't be allowed into the flight program for the first year. So be prepared to take a year off of flying.

And if you go there with liscecnces you will still have to go through their PPL ground schools and prove your profficiency, and you may not get credit for all your flying time.

Just a few real world facts they don't tell you about in the ads.
 
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RE: Oh L-188. This Is Your Dept. Lay Down The Law...

Sun Jul 25, 1999 2:09 pm

So whatd you two do after you graduated from UND?
 
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RE: Oh L-188. This Is Your Dept. Lay Down The Law...

Sun Jul 25, 1999 2:15 pm

I never graduated. They couldn't offer me what I needed so I went elsewhere.

The program has a hard time integrating someone who already has flight experience. They expect you to pay for the ground schools and take them over. And they want you to pay for flight time to prove profficiency.

The latter is more acceptable. But the former is not. Those ground schools are semester long classes. And I did not have 2 years to waste not training towards my goal. You must include the first year you can't fly.
 
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RE: Oh L-188. This Is Your Dept. Lay Down The Law...

Sun Jul 25, 1999 2:21 pm

What colleges do you recommend to get an ATP certificate and the other stuff you need?
 
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RE: Oh L-188. This Is Your Dept. Lay Down The Law...

Sun Jul 25, 1999 2:30 pm

You will get an ATP for free at an airline when you upgrade to captain. I don't even have an ATP. You need 1500 hours to get an ATP and you can't possibly pay for it yourself and you don't have to. It's not required to get hired by a airline.

Focus on getting your private commercial and instrument ratings first. That's hard enough. Then you get a CFI and instruct. Then onto a commuter or corporate, then maybe an airline.

I don't recommend colleges for flight training from my experiences. After high school maybe you'll have a private. Take that and go to a schoool like FlightSafety and get your commercial/Multi/instrument/CFI and go teach while you go to college.

Everything else like the ATP will come when you get the 1500 hours.
 
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RE: Oh L-188. This Is Your Dept. Lay Down The Law...

Sun Jul 25, 1999 2:32 pm

OK,thanx.
 
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RE: Corporate

Sun Jul 25, 1999 2:36 pm

A thing that is not really looekd at too much here is flying little airplane like Seneca's and citations. This is what I am hoping to fly. I do not really want to fly 747 or anything that big I enjoy flying my 172 and want a bit more speed and confort then that plane cover.
Corp. pilots do not make quite the money but I just want to fly. I have worked my ass of for the past couple years and have enough to live happily.
Any suggestion that will make this easier.
Dave
 
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RE: Corporate

Sun Jul 25, 1999 2:44 pm

All paths lead from the CFI it seems.

The CFI will allow you to be in the corporate invironment and allow you to network yourself while building fligh time. Some flight schools allso have charter operations. I know of one nearby that runs Lear 55/60, Seneca II, and A36 Bonanza charters in addition to flight instructing. If you stay with the company as a flight instructor they move you up to the charter operation.

You may even train someone who is looking to buy his/her own aircraft and may be looking for a pilot for business trips. That happens alot.

In that environment you will be exposed to many options.
 
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RE: Corporate

Sun Jul 25, 1999 2:51 pm

Thanks, I also have an idea to get into the business also. I will not bore everyone with that but all I really want to do is fly high!
dave
 
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RE:Military

Sun Jul 25, 1999 2:52 pm

Has anyone thought of joining the air force? I might try that if everything just doesnt go right. I know it sucks, but if youre an officer it isnt that bad. I know that goin to Kuwait for 6 months and 6 months back home and back and forth for 5 years sucks, but its worth it in the long run. The AF has 747s, 727s, 757, Learjets, DC-10s, and other transport planes. You might even try goin the USAFA.
 
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RE: RE:Military

Sun Jul 25, 1999 3:01 pm

I have thought of the military, but I have pretty much decided not to go into it. I will spend that time going to school and working. Hopefully get a good enough job so that eventually I can buy my own fighter/high performace jet... (of the T-38 class) to play around it. Nice to dream about but I doubt it will ever happen.

A note: "The Air Force" does not always have all the aircraft you listed. It only does it you a United States citizen and/or are strongly refering to the US Air Force. In some places, "The Air Force" doesn't have even one of those aircraft.
 
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RE: RE:Military

Sun Jul 25, 1999 3:09 pm

OK, im sorry i meant USAF.
 
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RE: Military

Mon Jul 26, 1999 12:03 am

I'm sorry, but I just had to set the record straight about the military. It does not "suck." I was a U.S. Navy ROTC cadet at Brown University in Rhode Island. After I graduated, I was commissioned an Ensign in the U.S. Navy. I'll tell you right now, the flight training I got in Pensacola, Florida is considered the world's best. Navy pilots have the most difficult flying job of all: landing your airplane on a 125 yard long, 30 yard wide strip of rubber which is moving forward at 30 knots and slightly to the right. Try that in an A320. I was lucky enough to fly two of the world's most advanced aircraft while I was on active duty. Now, everybody tells me how lucky I am that I was injured and the Navy forgave my remaining active duty commitment as a result of my injury. Everybody thinks that I'm glad that happened now that I'm making three times as much. But you know what? If I could go back and do it all over again, I would go the same way. Don't just write off the military like that. It's honorable, it's exciting, it's challenging, it's the best, and it's free.

United946
Capt., USNR
 
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RE: What's Your Plan To Being Hired At A Major ?

Tue Jul 27, 1999 4:41 am

Im just sayin that the military life sucks. I know that the military gives good flight training and all, and i respect the military and all.
 
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RE: Military

Tue Jul 27, 1999 8:58 am

Military life does not "suck," either. If you don't like travelling in the Navy, what makes you think you'll like travelling in an airline? If you don't like seeing new places, constantly moving around, not being home for awhile, then you're right. You're not the military type. But then you're not the airline type, either.

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Military And Civilian Training

Tue Jul 27, 1999 2:50 pm

On my website, I talk about the civilian method of getting to the airlines. But I put up a submission by a military pilot from Delta for a little balance. Both have their respective merits.

Doug Taylor
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Military=Coast Guard

Tue Jul 27, 1999 8:52 pm

If you're interested in getting into the military, try the Coast Guard. A while ago I met a freighter pilot that used to fly a Dassault for them, and he loved it. There's more flight time available than the USAF or Navy, the training is military calibre, and unlike the other services you get to see real "action" on a regular basis. He said that getting in the CG is like hitting the jackpot now, but it doesn't hurt to fill out the application. Just be sure to have a private and experience before applying.

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