odie
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MAS Resume Nonstop Services Into Adelaide

Mon Dec 03, 2001 7:35 am

From the Summer 2002 schedules, MAS will once again fly nonstop into Adelaide again, after suspending their nonstop services last year, I think. MAS now flies 4 times weekly into Adelaide via Melbourne using B747, but when the Summer 2002 schedules are launched, it will become nonstop! Good news for those passegners who I had known last time complaining about flying over Adelaide while I was flying from Melbourne to Kuala Lumpur (the flight orginally was from Adelaide, stop-over in Melbourne). With that, MAS will continue to offer twice daily nonstop services from Melbourne to Kuala Lumpur, but the afternoon flight was changed from a B747 to a B777. Here's the schedules:

Kuala Lumpur - Adelaide, MH 139, operating on Monday, Wednesday and Saturday
9:45pm - 6:10am on B777

Adelaide - Kuala Lumpur, MH 138, operating on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday
2:15pm - 8:15pm on B777

Kuala Lumpur - Melbourne, MH 149, operating daily
9:15pm - 6:45am on B777

Melbourne - Kuala Lumpur, MH 148, operating daily
2:15pm - 8:15 pm on B777

Regards.
 
Guest

RE: MAS Resume Nonstop Services Into Adelaide

Mon Dec 03, 2001 10:27 am

ADE is not on the list that's saying bye-bye to MAS? I thought MAS is going to drop ADE.
 
CX Flyboy
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RE: MAS Resume Nonstop Services Into Adelaide

Mon Dec 03, 2001 10:28 am

Adelaide is ADL.

I never knew they stopped flying in! Anyway, good to see them going back. Couldn't stay away from all the seafood eh?
 
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RE: MAS Resume Nonstop Services Into Adelaide

Mon Dec 03, 2001 10:34 am

Sorry for the typo. I mixed ADL with ADE.
 
aussie_
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RE: MAS Resume Nonstop Services Into Adelaide

Mon Dec 03, 2001 10:49 am

I predicted this... My MH contact was correct...

Good and bad - direct flights which is fantastic but we also see a reduction in frequency. Maybe they should have had 4-5 A330s rather than 3 777s. Anyway, its a positive for the ADL traveller!
 
odie
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RE: MAS Resume Nonstop Services Into Adelaide

Mon Dec 03, 2001 11:39 am

No, MAS does not have any plans at all to suspend Adelaide! They are not even in one of the 12 destinations destined to be suspended! Funny that services to Zurich and Auckland with much greater capacity than that of Adelaide is going to be suspended! In fact, they are increasing their capacity to Adelaide by making it a nonstop flight!

Cx_flyboy: Sorry if the topic had you misunderstood. MAS operate 4 times weekly to Adelaide via MEL. Now they are going nonstop with B777. They used to operate nonstop before changing it to one-stop via Melbourne.

Aussie_: I think the A330 have bigger capacity compared to B777. Plus, the B777 provide passengers with better facilities, seeing that most of their customers is traveling on the Kangaroo Route! I think passengers prefer direct flight rather than stopping over in Melbourne. Looks like Adelaide is making some money for MAS. Perhaps we could see them increasing more frequency to Adelaide for Winter 2002/2003!

Really weird that they are decreasing their frequency to Brisbane to 4 times weekly only though! Thought they are making money on that route.

Regards.
 
aussie_
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RE: MAS Resume Nonstop Services Into Adelaide

Mon Dec 03, 2001 11:43 am

I have been told by various people (incl. ADL MH employees) that ADL is a great success for MH. It shows that by sticking by a city that others might shun (TG, NZ etc), marketing yourself widely etc, you can do well. Compare this to Qantas and their constant reductions of Int'l capacity into ADL or the intertia of CX who haven't chaned their schedules here for years.

Go MH, good luck, and I hope you increase frequencies soon!
 
trans element
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RE: MAS Resume Nonstop Services Into Adelaide

Mon Dec 03, 2001 4:16 pm

GOOD NEWS FOR ALL OF US!!!
GOOD LUCK FOR MH!  Smile
 
'Longreach'
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RE: MAS Resume Nonstop Services Into Adelaide

Mon Dec 03, 2001 5:29 pm


Aussie no offence but do you ever stop whinging about airlines and Adelaide?

If they arent making money on it they arent going to serve it with huge capacity, or maybe even not at all.

If Adelaideans arent flying or tourists dont want to go there then why should airlines devote their aircraft to loss making routes?

This is obviously the case as there has been so many reductions.

No offence intended but the majority of your posts include the words "reduction" 'Capacity" and "Adelaide."
 
aussie_
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RE: MAS Resume Nonstop Services Into Adelaide

Mon Dec 03, 2001 5:47 pm

I see your point 'Longreach' but I repeat myself again: if there really was such a problem why do airlines like MH and SQ do so well there? There isn't really much else to it than that.

The only airline which has left or reduced SA int'l schedules because of losses is QF. The ONLY one.

MH and SQ do very well. CX do OK - they make a profit but frankly not a killing. GA also do quite well - they are the only ones doing DPS from ADL as well as picking up budget travellers to Europe.

NZ quit their 1x a week 762 a few years ago, but insisted that the route was profitable - it's just that at the time they thought they could make even more by putting the aircraft on to Osaka flights. Also they could easily transfer pax through MEL or SYD through their domestic partner (either QF or AN, depending when we're talking about).

BA quit their 2x a week 744s because of the new arrangement with Qantas. They were also doing quite well out of ADL (I knew the regional manager at the time) but thought (probably rightly) that pax preferred the direct ADL-SIN Qantas flight with a BA codeshare than a BA flight ADL-MEL-BKK-LHR (previously some rotations also went through PER).

In conclusion - yes I do always rant a bit about intl airlines treatment of Adelaide because I am convinced that the market exists. You look at carriers such as Emirates who have made some huge successes (not always but often) by flying into cities like Adelaide which have been left in the shadow of their larger counterpart airports who suck away most of the longhaul traffic (like MEL, SYD is to ADL). I point to Birmingham (LHR), Nice (CDG) and Dusseldorf (FRA). Add to that Casablanca which Emirates hope to open soon.

What is more, Emirates have openly expressed interest in serving ADL. Why would an airline do that in such a period of instability if Adelaide was the hole that so many people think it is!

I think the problem is that the rest of Australia (and indeed some proponents in Adelaide itself) look down on Adelaide and SA as a backwater. We never claim to be SYD or MEL and nor do I expect that we get SYD or MEL air traffic but we are a city the size of PER or AKL and could do better in terms of Int'l traffic.

I wish there were statistics showing the number of int'l pax from/to ADL who have to transfer at MEL or SYD. I think the figures would prove my point that there is a viable market for increased flights/destinations.

Anyway, that's my rant for the day. Please show me where my argument falls over, because I don't see where it can.
 
'Longreach'
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RE: MAS Resume Nonstop Services Into Adelaide

Mon Dec 03, 2001 8:27 pm


Your argument does not fall over, I wasnt saying that, and again no offence intended but in the end the airlines decide where they want their aircraft to go and if there is a more profitable route than to send them to Adelaide then thats where they will send them, without a care in the world what the people of Adelaide think of it.

 
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RE: MAS Resume Nonstop Services Into Adelaide

Mon Dec 03, 2001 9:40 pm

*applause required to Aussie*

I've seen about 5 people off in the last 5 weeks on MAS flights, every time the flights are packed. Both MH and SQ are fully booked out of ADL until 2002 and have been fully booked out on flights for the last month or so.
I've even got a mate who has to fly GA to KUL via DPS and SIN cos there aren't any MH or SQ flights.
I'm glad MH is committed to Adelaide. I'm strongly considering them for my travels in '02.

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RE: MAS Resume Nonstop Services Into Adelaide

Mon Dec 03, 2001 11:06 pm

HOPE SQ AND MH DOES WELL!!!
 Smile  Smile  Smile
 
odie
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RE: MAS Resume Nonstop Services Into Adelaide

Wed Dec 05, 2001 8:17 am

MAS is still going to remain in Adelaide for a long time, unless something really unforeseen happens. They had opened a call center in Adelaide somewhere in March to handle all calls in Australia and New Zealand. I believe they offer 24 hours, 7 days a week reservation in both Australia and New Zealand. After the office hours, all calls will be diverted to the call center in Malaysia. MAS is indeed doing pretty well on the East Coast routes, except to Cairns though, and maybe Brisbane.

Trentis: It's December now, i.e. summer, well at least in Australia! Start of the travel season! I think most flights from Australia now are fully booked. Same goes for Europe/America when it's June there! I was on a flight from London-Kuala Lumpur last June and there was loads of people around, even the Business Class was full!

Regards.

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