Mark2102
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TWA 717's

Tue Dec 04, 2001 8:15 am

Is AA going to take the TWA 717's or will they just get rid of them? If so, where will they go?

Mark
 
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RE: TWA 717's

Tue Dec 04, 2001 8:29 am

I just found out this Saturday from a reliable source within TWA that AA's long-term plan is to get rid of the 717's and the F100's and replace them all with 737's (she didn't know what series 737 though). She said crews LOVE flying the 717 and of course it does have excellent fuel efficiency but there were a couple of problems: 1) The 737 has very similar fuel efficiencies but offers more seating, and 2) the Rolls Royce engines on the 717 don't allow for powerbacks, and AA wants its planes to have that ability (being able to push back from the gate without equipment). Another little flaw with the 717: she said there are circuit panels at floor level in the equipment storage area in the front of the cabin, and you can't spill any liquid on the floor as there could be a danger of shorting out the circuits if the liquid came in contact with the circuitry (she cited an incident with a 717 landing at DFW due to the 717 losing power). She didn't give a time-frame for AA's 737 plans, but said they were long-term. Given the current situation, I would say it would be awhile before AA goes forward with this. As for where they would go, one good guess would have to be AirTran. Midwest Express might be a candidate as well.
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TWA717_200
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RE: TWA 717's

Tue Dec 04, 2001 10:03 am

They may as well get rid of them...Right now my heart is exposed, so it may as well just get ripped out.  Sad
 
Iflewrepublic
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RE: TWA 717's

Tue Dec 04, 2001 10:28 am

TWA717_200:

I hear ya, bud. Perhaps, they can join our (NWA's)family...we'd take good care of them for ya.

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RE: TWA 717's

Tue Dec 04, 2001 11:05 am

I believe AA's current plan is to have the 717s back in Boeing's hands by 31 Dec 02. Sadly...

-Kevin
 
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RE: TWA 717's

Tue Dec 04, 2001 11:17 am

Iflewrepublic, do I have your word on that?  Smile
 
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RE: TWA 717's

Tue Dec 04, 2001 11:21 am

Well, I heard from my good friend who is a pilot at American that the rumour going around is that Boeing is going to pay American for their F-100's and then AA will buy 717's. It's only a rumour but it could very well be true.

Matt~

P.S.- I really hope they don't get rid of
the F-100's, they are so much nicer than
the 717's.
 
Mark2102
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RE: TWA 717's

Tue Dec 04, 2001 11:26 am

The 717 can hold moe people than the F-100 and it is a bit bigger. Most of all, they are newer. The Boeing 717 really never took off sales wise. I would like to see it survive.

Mark
 
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RE: TWA 717's

Tue Dec 04, 2001 11:37 am

TWA 717, IFLEWREPUBLIC... I Respect you guys.
 
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RE: TWA 717's

Tue Dec 04, 2001 11:57 am

Very strong rumor is AA is giving them back to Boeing and YX will start taking delivery of those used planes around August at deeply discounted rates.
 
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RE: TWA 717's

Tue Dec 04, 2001 12:00 pm

YX???
 
jettblasterp
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RE: TWA 717's

Tue Dec 04, 2001 12:04 pm

Sorry...YX = Midwest Express Airlines.
 
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RE: TWA 717's

Tue Dec 04, 2001 12:20 pm

Jettblasterp is correct... They are going to be history. AmericanF100's pilot friend has heard an untrue rumor I'm afraid.
 
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RE: TWA 717's

Tue Dec 04, 2001 1:39 pm

<<2) the Rolls Royce engines on the 717 don't allow for powerbacks, >>


That must only be for AA's 717s...at AirTran..that's all we do unless they are going out of a few select gates. Powerbacks w/ the 717 is a normality out of ATL. From the way I understand it...most planes with engines on the wings can't do a powerback....can anyone confirm this??

Ry
 
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TWA717_200

Tue Dec 04, 2001 2:18 pm

All right...I've figured it out...I have the cans of red spray paint, boxes of DC-9 safety cards, etc...all I need you to do is distract them. When the bossman asks, we can respond with "Hey...er...umm...that's a nice looking 'DC-9' there. Imagine what a 717 would look like."  Big grin

I honestly would love to see that plane in our fleet. I don't think I'm the only one around here. I think the future of that plane rests in our hands...we can be the ones to secure it's place.

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usa4624
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RE: TWA 717's

Tue Dec 04, 2001 3:28 pm

Who owns TWA's 717s? Did TWA pay cash for them (I doubt it, given their financial situation), or are they owned by a leasing company (Boeing Leasing, GE, etc)?
 
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RE: TWA 717's

Wed Dec 05, 2001 12:07 am

>I believe AA's current plan is to have the 717s back in Boeing's
>hands by 31 Dec 02. Sadly...

Nope. 2002 will see little change for the moment. The current plan (changes hourly in this new world we live in) has AA deferring most new deliveries and as earlier stated, AA wants to replace 717s with additional 737s.

>Well, I heard from my good friend who is a pilot at American that
>the rumour going around is that Boeing is going to pay American for
>their F-100's and then AA will buy 717's. It's only a rumour but it
>could very well be true.

Boeing made a strong pitch to AA on a one-for-one purchase of 717s for F100s (to include any/all USAir planes if that deal went thru). Ultimately the whole thing fell apart with AA's requirement that Boeing not sell/lease the used F100s to any North American operations --didn't want someone getting AA's airplanes cheaply and using them against AA.

>Who owns TWA's 717s?

All of TWA's new delivery aircraft were on pretty ugly lease terms (approximately double AA's lease payments for the same aircraft models).
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RE: TWA 717's

Wed Dec 05, 2001 1:01 am

I didnt think the 737 could power back. I dont know, I have just never seen on do it.


I love the 717, can anyone talk NWA or DAL into making a big order , PLEASE.
 
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RE: TWA 717's

Wed Dec 05, 2001 2:36 am

I have only ever seen 727s, MD80s, F100s and DC-9s do powerbacks from gates. Yes, I have seen AirTran 717s powerback in ATL so I know its possible, why wouldn't it be?

Also, from what I see, the reason a 737 (or other aircraft with wing mounted engines) couldnt do a powerback may be a combination of two things. The type of thrust reverser on a 737 is different from the clamshell types on MD-80s etc, maybe it doesnt give the right kind of "push" and mostly, I think that the possibility of the engine sucking in FOD on a 737 is much breater since its SO close to the ground, everything stirred up from the thrust reverser is going to go right into the engine!

Delta- replace your 737-200s on the shuttle runs with 717s!! Also, how about some 717s for SkyWest, those damn little CRJs are so full out of Salt Lake City to points north that you have to sometimes wait all day for a seat to a market like Boise, Billings or Calgary- wait, sometimes I have to wait 2 days for a seat to Calgary!
 
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RE: TWA 717's

Wed Dec 05, 2001 2:48 am

The latest I read as of yesterday is that all AA 727's will be retired by next June, and all 717's retired by next November.
 
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RR BR715 Powerbacks

Wed Dec 05, 2001 2:54 am

Uh...Whoever said BR715 cannot do powerbacks. Think Again


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This Airtran 717 with BR715 engines seems to be doing fine while POWERBACKING
 
Tom in NO
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RE: TWA 717's

Wed Dec 05, 2001 3:35 am

A little off topic, but I've seen and been on Eastern 757's at ATL that did powerbacks years ago.

Tom in NO (at MSY)
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RE: TWA 717's

Wed Dec 05, 2001 11:05 am

> Nope. 2002 will see little change for the moment.
> The current plan (changes hourly in this new world > we live in) has AA deferring most new deliveries and > as earlier stated, AA wants to replace 717s with
> additional 737s.

I think AAR90's watch and mine are set on different time zones. I'd wager that they are gone a lot sooner than that and won't be around to see the big ball drop in 2003. But then again, I'm on Pacific time and Andy is probably used to being on Zulu time...  Smile