Cpt. Caveman
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The Future Of DAT

Tue Dec 04, 2001 8:53 pm

The future isn't that bad for the new Belgian airline DAT.
This is confirmed yesterday (03/12/2001), by the 2 frontpersons of the investment-group of Maurice Lippens and Etienne Davignon.
The situation around Flemish minister-president Dewael, was all a "misunderstanding".
The new company will start with more than enough money, that anounced was, but this doens't has to come from the gouvernments.

The business-plan exists of 2 fases.
The first fase, there will be a network of only European flights: 34 destinations, with 37 planes. Later there will be added 13 long-distance flights, plus 7 middle-long.
This should create around 2 000 jobs.

The first long-distance destinations would be 3 African's: Entebbe (Uganda), Kigali and Kinshasa.
And this should be ready by the end of this mounth, by Davignon and Co.
With the transatlantic flights will be waited untill next summer 2002.
The 2 persons, Lippens and Davignon said that the airline should be rendabel, even without the second fase.
An safety marge will be created in case that the 115 billion Euro, they need, not will be be found.

Regards  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Cpt. Caveman
 
Guest

RE: The Future Of DAT

Tue Dec 04, 2001 10:51 pm

Only FIH is remotely viable in terms of pax numbers - and even then the yields are low. Don't forget that SN only operated twice weekly to each of EBB and KGL (with continuation to NBO where most of the pax boarded).

Relations between the DRC and Uganda and Rwanda still have not been normalised, so that precludes a BRU-EBB/KGL-FIH service.

Somehow, I don't think a lot of thought has gone into this process - seems to be mainly an ego thing.
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Tue Dec 04, 2001 11:05 pm

I just cannot wait to unveil here my Air Belgium logo and livery designs (ex-DAT) which I proposed to DAT/ex-Sabena.
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Tue Dec 04, 2001 11:53 pm

The new company will start operations on December 19th. That's a wednesday, right?

Yess, I have no classes then! Maybe I'll drive to the airport to see the very first takeoff, although I doubt I will see the difference between a 'normal' DAT-aircraft and an aircraft of the new company...

Air Orange:

Neither can I...Are you sure you can't show us anyting? When will you be able to disclose the livery/logo? If I take a look at your earlier work, I'm pretty anxious to see it, and I have good faith in you. Something tells me it will be really nice!

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RE: The Future Of DAT

Wed Dec 05, 2001 12:02 am

When I read about thier plans I´m concerned. 13 long-hauls? Haven´t they learned that too many long-haul flights were the main reason of SN going under? BRU isn´t this big that it could support such a big number of intercontinental-flights. Shouldn´t they first try to consolidate their position within Europe before they start thinking about expanding?

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RE: The Future Of DAT

Wed Dec 05, 2001 1:51 am

Hi Air Orange,

I personally hope you've also introduced some of Sabena's latest housestyle in your design....At least the very nice dark blue should be kept at all costs!
And how about the S or the Margritte bird?
Anyway, I thrust you've done a nice job!

At present this is how the SN flights are operated...

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Not too bad, but an improvement is always welcome.
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Wed Dec 05, 2001 2:08 am

I hope the new DAT concentrates on Europe.
It is going to be hard setting up (profitable) long-haul flights without being a member of a big alliance.
The Brussels market is too small (not enough multinational companies) to fill widebodies....

Regarding Africa...when is Belgium going to realise the colonizing of Africa is over ...

airDD
 
LJ
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Wed Dec 05, 2001 3:57 am

Sabena's Africa network has always been overrated. Maybe it was profitable, but barely. Air France's Africa network is simply the best of the European airlines. Followed by BA, LH, KL (and if you don't bother to transfer at NBO you probably have a larger network) and TAP.

BTW Sabena hasn't flown for more than a month and it seems as if that nobody misses this airline (except those who miss the rock-bottom ticket prices). If the investors at DAT are smart they stick to Europe.

Regards
Laurens
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Wed Dec 05, 2001 5:02 am

LJ, I must disagree with you on that..

AF certainly has a very nice African network, but several destinations in French speeking Africa (inlcuding ex French colonies) were only availiable on Sabena.

AF had higher frequencies, but with fewer destinations then Sabena. It depends what you consider more important: frequency or diversity.

As to your claim of LH, KL or BA having a NETWORK to Africa. Feeding your pax into a local airline like Air Kenia is not really my idea of having a network to me.
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Wed Dec 05, 2001 5:18 am

Slz396, I don't see why an airline should operate all destinations ex Europe in order to qualify as being part of the network (on this I must disagree). I look at the what an alliance offers and in the case of KLM/Kenya Airways it is more than Sabena (if you look ex Europe with or without transfer at NBO). However, Sabena failed miserably in serving East Africa (apart from Entebbe and Nairobi no destinations in East Africa).

BTW why didn't Sabena try to get an alliance with Kenya Airways? It would have been a very good match (Sabena Western Africa, Kenya Eastern Africa). Maybe an idea for the investors. Ask KLM whether they may codeshare with Kenya Airways in Africa (very cheap way to get into Eastern Africa).

Regards
Laurens
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Wed Dec 05, 2001 5:40 am

What's your problem with Kenya Airways? KLM has spent a lot of time an effort helping KQ become a world class airline and in so doing has created a lasting strategic alliance that can help KLM cover more marginal routes plus give it an increased Africa presence without getting involved directly.

Of course, there are only a few airlines in Africa that can be considered worthy of investing in but KLM should get some credit for not trying to fly to every inhabited city in Africa like Sabena.
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Wed Dec 05, 2001 6:09 am

There's nothing wrong with Air Kenia, just that you can not say, I have a daily feeder flight to the hub of a partner airline which serves a particular area very nicely, so I serve that area nicely myself.
If that is how you want to work, fine, but then you'd also have to say Sabena served North America much better then KLM/NW, thanks to its alliance with AA.
You see how totally unrealisitic this approach is?

To me, the best alliance in Africa ever was the AF/SN alliance in the first half of the 1990s.

SN tried to get an alliance with Uganda Airlines, but this was stopped prematurely (once again due to political pressure on both sides).
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Wed Dec 05, 2001 8:31 am

Let's hope for the best... I was just on one of their flights, from Madrid to Brussels. ONLY 2 empty seats in an RJ100 (capacity 97) Keep up the good work!

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RE: The Future Of DAT

Wed Dec 05, 2001 9:42 am

I am surpirsed that getting at least one or two transatlantic routes opened up is not a priority for the new DAT Plus or Air Belgium. While the transatlantic routes have been hit particularly hard by the recent terrible world events, BRU is severly lacking in service to the US at the moment.......and wouldn't those transatlantic flights help feed the european network?

I am certain that there would be enough traffic at resonable yeilds to operate one A332 flight to JFK and BOS, two well established routes out of BRU.
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Wed Dec 05, 2001 11:37 am

Most transatlantic routes lose money during the winter; there's no real reason to start them up until demand picks up with the summer season. They'd probably lose less money flying an empty seat on the European network than they would by trying to get someone from North America to connect to that flight by operating transatlantic flights.

BRU still has non-stop service to EWR, PHL, ATL, IAD, and ORD, and connecting service via those airports or a half-dozen European hubs.
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Wed Dec 05, 2001 12:02 pm

DAT may have a future as a stand-alone airline provided the funding can be arranged in accordance with EU regulations (I wonder how many times Verhofstadt, Daems, Lippens, Mueller, etc have cursed the EU since SN went bankrupt  Smile ). Yields I don't know about but bookings are up are the word is getting out.

But what worries me is these megalomaniac ideas about relaunching African and North American flights. Didn't we learn anything from the disaster of SN bankruptcy?
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Wed Dec 05, 2001 4:45 pm

Yesterday 4th december was the last day of DAT's promotion to more than 30 European destinations at
- € 150 in Economy Class
- € 400 in Business Class
(that was taxes included)

I haven't heard anything about a new promotion or new special prices. So that probably means more expensive tickets from now on.

Regards, SN-A330

I would rather be flying...
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Wed Dec 05, 2001 4:49 pm

My Sabena flights to/from JFK and BOS to BRU were always full in economy, regardless of time of year, and on A333 not A332. The business section, however, was not full, and that perhaps might make a difference. Anybody else think so?
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Wed Dec 05, 2001 6:04 pm

It seems that the information about DAT now operating with 40% loadfactors is not actually correct. According to a post on PPRuNe, on the VEX codeshare routes, the DAT share of the traffic is under five passengers per flight!

Slz396 - you might be knowledgeable about political economics, but your knowledge of airline economics is pretty poor! What you're saying in effect is that if you have 50 passengers going to four different destinations, it's better to operate four flights with 50 pax (and lose lots of money, btw) than operate one flight with 200 pax to a partner's hub and let them distribute them out with their smaller aircraft.

Don't forget I've actually run a regional airline in that part of the world - and have provided feed for SN, so I know what the traffic profile is like!
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Wed Dec 05, 2001 6:14 pm

Hello there Ceilidh,

Maybe it is my English, but:
AF had higher frequencies, but with fewer destinations then Sabena. It depends what you consider more important: frequency or diversity.
Does mean something slightly different then you say....

As to those load factors, you'd be nuts to pay a high price for a dat ticket (now that the promotion is over) if you can get a low fare VEX ticket on the same flight!
I am surpirsed there are dat pax at all on those flights...

Ok, now I have to run...
bye.

 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Wed Dec 05, 2001 6:34 pm

Slz396 - it was an extrapolation from your statement as quoted by you above; coupled with your earlier one where you said: There's nothing wrong with Air Kenia, just that you can not say, I have a daily feeder flight to the hub of a partner airline which serves a particular area very nicely, so I serve that area nicely myself.

Incidentally, the reference to the DAT loads referred to flights taken whilst the promotion was on - and does your comment mean that we can expect DAT's loads to collapse again now that the high prices have returned?

The PPRuNe post from wwIIace (who I believe is Belgian, but working in the UK) reads:

i bougt a virgin express ticket to Brussels last week to see a friend and on the way there it was about 120 pax. on the way back was on a DAT aircraft that had 34 pax, spoke to the checkin girl and 31 of them were virgin pax on their allocation, the rest DAT. that was average load for DAT 3-5 pax. surely they cannot sustai this for long. virgin express seem to be keeping them afloat. we have noticed less 3rd party pax on our aircraft as well from one world. some airlines are benefitting whiles others not.
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Wed Dec 05, 2001 6:41 pm

Mr Ceilidh. All you do is criticize Sabena or DAT with never anything useful to say. So you're still jealous. If you're (supposedly) such a manager or whatever, then shouldn't you be WORKING in stead of hanging around on airliners net every day? If I was your boss, I would of sacked you long ago. And YOU want to tell others what to do? Huh...
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Wed Dec 05, 2001 11:16 pm

DAT's third promo-campaign :

For the third time in a row, dat offers you attractive prices to 28 European destinations!
You can book a ROUND-TRIP flight (taxes included) for:
 
  200,- € in Economy Class up to and December 12th, 2001 inclusive
  500,- € in Business Class up to and December 31th, 2001 inclusive
+ TRIPLE QUALIFLYER MILES !
connecting Brussels with:
Berlin, Bilbao, Birmingham, Bologna, Bordeaux, Bristol, Florence, Geneva, Gothenburg, Hamburg, Hanover, Helsinki, Copenhagen, Lyons, Madrid, Manchester, Marseille, Milan, Munich, Newcastle, Nice, Oslo, Prague, Stockholm, Strasburg, Toulouse, Turin, Venice, Vienna.

On top of that you can earn triple Qualiflyer miles as Qualiflyer member in Business Class on all 33 European destinations of dat (Barcelona, Rome, Helsinki, London Heathrow, Warsaw and the destinations mentioned above).

Regards, SN-A330
I would rather be flying...
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Wed Dec 05, 2001 11:24 pm

SN-A330 - so would I be correct then in assuming that the promotional fares do not apply on BCE, FCO, HEL, LHR and WAW? If not, why not?

I'm not so sure that Qualiflyer miles are so great now with OS pulling out and the other main members - SN and SR going belly up!

A330DAT - I run my own company, and can do what I like when I like. How come you are posting instead of working?  Insane Big grin
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Thu Dec 06, 2001 12:14 am

Ceilidh,

I do not understand your problem with DAT, for one they probably have the cheapest pilots in Europe, they operate their RJ fleet better then any airline in the world, the unions are almost dead, if I remember correctly these are all factors you mentioned that were needed for a good airline, they are all there!!!!!
I can tell you this, all DAT employees will make this a succes and as soon as the investers go ahaed which is foreseen the 19th december I am sure that pax loads will go up fast
Btw I have been flying several flights and they were full!!, and it was not a codeshare flight!!
Stop being negative, you will see DAT will be a succes, maybe that's your biggest nightmare that it will become a strong European airline
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Thu Dec 06, 2001 12:20 am

Sab12 - if you think I'm anti-DAT, you're wrong. However, I am against them moving out of what they did well - flying regional operations. The moment that they start long haul operations, you can start the clock ticking on yet another financial mess. I hope it doesn't happen - but being realistic, we all know it will.

Stick with what you know best!  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Thu Dec 06, 2001 12:25 am

Ceilidh,
The amount of long haul will be reduced and US destinations will only come in the summer, DAT will be for 90% a european airline and doing what they have allways done best, if this is the case why are you still so negative about it?
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Thu Dec 06, 2001 12:49 am

Ceilidh, I am also assuming that the promotional fares do not apply on BCE, FCO, HEL, LHR and WAW ! Maybe somebody else knows why ?

Concerning the Qualiflyer miles : OS pulling out ? They did that a long time ago so that's not relevant anymore.
SN and SR going belly up ? There's indeed not much left of the Qualiflyer airlines. This is what Qualiflyer says about it :
updated November 30, 2001
 
The recent developments at Swissair, Crossair and Sabena have led to some uncertainty over the Qualiflyer programme. While the situation may be subject to change, we can currently tell you that:
Programme
The Qualiflyer programme will continue. The legal ramifications are currently being studied.
Membership and mileage accounts
Qualiflyer Membership and personal mileage accounts will continue to be maintained. All miles will retain their validity as stated in the programme's General Terms and Conditions.
Earning and redeeming miles
Qualiflyer Miles can be earned as before on any airline participating in the programme, from credit card companies, at hotel chains, with car rental companies and through other partners. And miles can continue to be redeemed for any of a wide range of awards both in the air and on the ground. In view of the current situation, however, the number of awards available may have to be temporarily restricted.
Refunds on Free Tickets
Any Qualiflyer Member holding a Free Ticket for a Sabena flight which is no longer operated can either rebook their flight free of charge on another airline participating in the programme or have the ticket refunded free of charge at any time up to December 31, 2001. In the case of refunds, the corresponding miles will be recredited to the member's personal mileage account. Please note, however, that no refunds can be granted on any airport taxes already paid. Rebookings/refunds should be arranged through your Qualiflyer Service Centre.
There's Qualiflyer and Qualiflyer...
The Qualiflyer programme is operated on behalf of Swissair, Crossair, Sabena and other partner airlines. Qualiflyer Loyalty Ltd. is a separate legal company, and is not identical to the Qualiflyer Group airline alliance. Qualiflyer Loyalty Ltd. has sufficient liquidity to meet all its current obligations towards its customers and partners.
Qualiflyer Mile vouchers for stockholders
SAirGroup will not be distributing Qualiflyer Mile vouchers to the stockholders for 2001. This measure does not have an influence on the collecting and spending of miles.
dat Delta Air Transport
Since November 11, 2001 Delta Air Transport - short dat - has taken over most of the European flights formerly operated by Sabena. dat is participating in the Qualiflyer programme as a full member. Award tickets issued on a Sabena document are accepted on flights/routes now operated by dat and cannot be combined with other airlines. From November 16, 2001 a helpline number is available for Sabena ticket holders: for Belgian residents: 070/35 11 11 non-Belgian residents: +32 2 723 23 23 (local numbers will soon be available for each country).

Regards, SN-A330
I would rather be flying...
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Thu Dec 06, 2001 2:36 am

Sab12 - they are intending to start operating to three African destinations by the end of the year - two of which I know very well (EBB and KGL) as we used to feed SN pax from BJM. As I said earlier on this thread, loads for just those destinations are not commercially viable; SN operated via NBO which DAT does not intend to do.

My view is that FIH and KGL are being operated for purely political reasons - Belgium being their former colonial power. If DAT is going to be politically driven - as SN was before it - then it does not have a viable future.
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Thu Dec 06, 2001 2:40 am

Can sopemone explain to me why DAT calls these new fares a promotional campaign? EUR 200 for a roundtrip fare is almost the usual fare on similar routes. Moreover which idot will pay EUR 200 for a Y class fare to GVA, TXL, MAN, HAM, MUC, NCE and VIE? I'm sure the competition offers much better fares (or is it very expensive to fly ex BRU noways?)

Anyway as I stated before. I'm sure the competition will be very glad to "kill" any new Belgian airline once they start transatlantic flights. Given the current economic circumstances it's not wise to start these services (allthough I can understand that the Belgian pride is at stake).

Regards
Laurens
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Thu Dec 06, 2001 9:11 am

Well said Sab12 and SN-A330. Everyone's afraid that the new DAT may actually make it. Why else would they even fuss about it? If no one would care, you just wouldn't bother, would you? AFRICA be aware! The "NEW SABENA" will be back soon! And as strong as ever, because unlike anyone else, they know Africa well. Very well even.
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Thu Dec 06, 2001 6:02 pm

A330DAT - sorry, but the fact is that if SN had provided a better service to Africa than AB, AF, KL, SR etc then it could have commanded a premium. In fact, it had to charge lower fares than everyone else to get people to travel on them - primarily because of the poor service.

I've already said that we provided feed for SN from BJM to KGL and EBB. We also had a sister company that had a courier fly weekly BRU-EBB-BRU carrying VAL and I lost count of the number of times that his reservations would be deleted from the system because he'd been booked at the lowest fare - SN then kindly offering to rebook at full Y! If it had not been for the hassle factor in transiting customs at LHR with the VAL we would have changed to British Airways without a moment's hesitation.

And it wasn't just us, either. I've heard similar stories told by other people - including another friend who runs an airline in West Africa. He used to use SN because it was pretty much the only way to get to BJL, but as well as lost reservations he'd also frequently end up with lost baggage and long delays at BRU.

This is another post on the subject from another Belgian (non SN) pilot on PPRuNe:

Hi,
I'll be rude on this one, but as a Belgian - but not sabena! - pilot I'll say this: It seems like Dat is starting on the same wrong bases left over by our world-famous loss making national airline, since after a few weeks "existence" it requires the help of public investment (my money, indeed!!!). WHAT FOR? The market was open at BRU with sabena ceasing activities, and a lot of sectors were then left uncovered, so why did they immediately start making the same flight numbers and schedules as VEX and start playing competition? We've seen it: the outcome is that they leave with a single pax on board... So, kill this sick bird before it spreads its deseases again among us, because if it keeps running continuously with losses while being refilled with public investment, then it will also keep on killing the belgian market and scare investors away from putting money in new company.

TEA, Air Belgium and lately Citybird, all have been - some closer than others, it is true - victims of the unfair competition with sobelair, affiliate charter transporter to Sabena, because it ws running, this way:constantly making losses unpunished. No private investor can match this. Result: even the big fished who eated all the others got eaten... by himself.

A famous belgian story, again... and it ain't over believe me!


DAT - stick to regional operations in Europe. Forget the dreams of replacing SN!
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Thu Dec 06, 2001 7:56 pm

Ceilidh,

What kind of pax did you feed SN ? priests, nuns
and wannabe ministers wearing crocodile hats ? Big grin
You may have "enjoyed" problems of bookings with
SN but don't you think it's quite usual in the aviation world ? where in this earth, sister companies have never had problems with big players ? you were not the only one and SN wasn't an exception! Talking
about Kinshasa and Kigali, it's typical to people to
think they flew there only for political reasons, it was true in the past as SN was considered by the government as the "second diplomatic network" but at least Kinshasa was very profitable, so...

Please, no replies covering domestic problems in Belgium, "bwana statistics" or Monarchy gossips for once...thanks!  Big grin
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Thu Dec 06, 2001 11:13 pm

Tca256 - the pax we carried ranged from the Belgian Ambassador to ordinary Burundians.We carried many expats - mainly employees of NGOs in Burundi, but also long term Belgian residents of the country. Yes, we did carry a few priests and nuns - including the Cardinal responsible for the Great Lakes Region, a fascinating gentleman that I was happy to have spent several hours with, despite the fact I'm not Catholic! We treated them all has honoured guests ... why is it that you find it necessary to sneer at them by describing them as "priests, nuns, and wannabe ministers wearing crocodile hats"?

And no, I don't think that having consistent problems with reservations - suspiciously only with the lowest fares - is at all "usual" - in fact I'd go so far to say that within the last ten years, despite the fact that I've probably flown 1,500 sectors, the only airline that I have ever had any problems with was SN.
 
TCA256
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Thu Dec 06, 2001 11:20 pm

Ceilidh, did you feel offended by my comments ? ooh
c'mon, not you... Big grin !! To date, I'm half son of
the continent so don't try to find stereotypes from my
part....By the way, I have probably flown 1,500 sectors
in my life but enough to say the problems I encountered
with SN were the same I had with KLM, LH, SQ, MAS,
OS, LY, VEX......the thing is I didn't have a trauma with
Sabena!  Big grin
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Thu Dec 06, 2001 11:24 pm

sorry, tried to write "I've probably NOT flown..."
 
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RE: The Future Of DAT

Fri Dec 07, 2001 3:08 am

According to Bloomberg a Belgian newspaper (Les Echos) reports that there may be a second bidder for DAT. I wonder who that may be......

Regards
Laurens