us330
Posts: 3407
Joined: Tue Aug 08, 2000 7:00 am

Replacement Retired Before Replacee?

Wed Dec 05, 2001 12:51 am

Has their ever been a case where the supposed replacement for an aircraft has been retired before the aircraft it was supposed to replace? AA almost came close (within about a year) with the retirement dates of the DC-10 and the MD-11.
 
TriStar500
Posts: 4411
Joined: Thu Nov 04, 1999 9:50 pm

RE: Replacement Retired Before Replacee?

Wed Dec 05, 2001 12:59 am

This is mere speculation, but the MD-90 in SAS service won't probably last as long as their MD-80's. With a fleet of just 8 aircraft, they are subject to quick "fleet rationalization" when the need arises.

Same applies for DL and their MD-90's. Maybe they outlast the 727, but it is doubtful if they will "succeed" against the MD-88.

But again - just speculation here.
Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
 
TriStar500
Posts: 4411
Joined: Thu Nov 04, 1999 9:50 pm

Kthy

Wed Dec 05, 2001 1:03 am

KTHY (Turkish Cyprus national airline) intended to replace their 727's with MD-90's. However, soon after the first MD-90's were delivered, the plans were shelved and KTHY went on operateing the 727. They have been (or are right now in the process of being) replaced by 738's.

Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
 
blink182
Posts: 5272
Joined: Mon Oct 18, 1999 3:09 am

RE: Replacement Retired Before Replacee?

Wed Dec 05, 2001 12:40 pm

I wouldn't be too shocked if 1 for 1 it has happened.
About American, when did this happen? I didn't hear anything about this.
rgds,
blink182
Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
 
UAL_777_Pilot
Posts: 75
Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2001 5:31 am

RE: Replacement Retired Before Replacee?

Wed Dec 05, 2001 12:46 pm

American Airlines , retired their fleet of DC-10's by the early 90's. They choose the MD-11 to replace it. However , American Airlines just this past summer replaced the MD-11 and will now opt for more B777s to compliment there 35. Btw : They sold all of there MD-11's to Fed-Ex , now they are being converted into freighters for Fed-Ex. Fed-Ex has the most MD-11's in service out of any carrier in the world. Hope this helps.
 
n949wp
Posts: 1398
Joined: Thu Feb 03, 2000 3:45 pm

JAL's DC-10's And MD-11's

Wed Dec 05, 2001 1:02 pm

Japan Airlines will actually retire all their MD-11's before their DC-10's, if all goes according to plan. Their last MD-11 is scheduled to leave in 2004 for cargo conversion for UPS. However, their DC-10-40's will soldier on until 2005.

'949
 
Guest

RE: AA's DC-10's And MD-11's

Wed Dec 05, 2001 1:29 pm

AA began retiring their DC-10 fleet in the early 90's 1993. The last DC-10 was retired 11/21/2000 (last year).
The MD-11's were meant to replace the DC-10's. Their delivery began in 1990. AA never took the 50 MD-11's they were planning on. The last MD-11 was delivered to them in 1993. The fleet was never larger than 17 aircraft. AA decided that the MD-11 wasn't suiting them the way they would like and struck a deal with FedEx to accept their MD-11's and convert them to freighters by 2002. The last 4 MD-11 was retired on 10/15/01. Right now they are being stored at Alliance Airport in Fort Worth (AFW) and Tulsa (TUL).

Thus the DC-10 replacement MD-11 was retired 11 months after the DC-10's. Now the replacement would be the basically the 777.