PolAir
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Drunken Russian Pilots

Wed Dec 05, 2001 6:18 am

This is from my home town newspaper, but only in Polish, could not find anything in English.

12,03,01 - plane took of from Kazan ( dont know what plane, nor what airline) with completely drunk crew. When passengers noticed it and protested, they were reminded by stewardes that they will be removed from the plane if dont come down. She advised them to "thank our wonderful pilots for doing such a good job while being drunk"!!!!!


This was sent by email to the russian newspaper NTVru.com by one of the passangers on board that plane.

http://wyborcza.gazeta.pl/info/artykul.jsp?xx=591153&dzial=010201


 
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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Wed Dec 05, 2001 6:43 am

HA HA!
Actually, that's kinda scary. Reminds me of an article I read in an aviation magazine long ago. Think it was called Flying or something like that.
The article described an incident that occured with a Japanese pilot who was drunk, but somehow managed to go undetected by his crew, airport personell, everybody into the cocpit. It wasn't discovered he was drunk till he lined up to take off..... ON THE WRONG RUNWAY!
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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Wed Dec 05, 2001 6:50 am

hehe, funny

I remeber like 3 years ago watching a documentary about aeroflot pilots. They filmed at least two crews ( in ZRH and FRA) during their between-flight brake. Both crews went trough almost whole bottle of vodka about 2 hours before flight!!!! I am not sure if they stopped tham at the gate or not.

As far as i know same thing used be going on among LOT pilots during 80' and early 90's !!!!!
 
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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Wed Dec 05, 2001 6:59 am

Article mentions about 50% of all AN-70 aircraft crashed. ...... way to design an airliner eh commies????

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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Wed Dec 05, 2001 7:09 am

I was on an Aeroflot flight from St. Petersburg to Alma Ata on an Il-86 in 1991. I don't know if they still do this on internal flights, but at that time in Russia, passengers always stayed seated until the pilots leave the plane first. Anyway, we landed, and waited about 15 minutes for the pilots showed up. When the cockpit door finally opened, the captain was being carried out by the other flight crew. He was absolutely hammered, babbling and drooling all over the impressive array of medals that were in his chest.

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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Wed Dec 05, 2001 7:21 am

Why do Tupolevs and Ilyushins fall out of the sky again?
But seriously, is it true that AF pilots are permitted one glass of wine with their inflight meals?
 
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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Wed Dec 05, 2001 8:58 am

The a/c was a Yak-40, of a small regional airline based in Tatarstan (Russian province). One passenger tried to report the situation to airport officials before departure, but they just ignored him. An F/A was very proud of the fact that the airlines' pilots were so good at what they do, that they were able to complete the flight safely even when drunk. Go figure.

The recent IL-76 crash in NE Russia, is also now being blamed on drunks on board. The pilots in this case are far from being at fault, though. Apparently, the a/c was carrying 4 enlisted men, who, as a punishment for being found drunk on the job, were being sent to serve in one of the less nice regions of Russia. As they were stripped of their booze before boarding, they decided to look through the a/c's cargo for some kind of replacement. What they found was a 500 liter container of anti-freeze (the kind that is added to jet fuel in winter to prevent freezing. It wasn't supposed to be onboard the Ilyushin). As they were spilling the highly flamable liquid all over the floor of the cargo hold (couldn't hold the heavy container straight), one of them apparently decided to light up a smoke...
The one thing that does bother me about this version is the fact that it is so early in the investigation. I'm not sure how they know all those details, considering the a/c blew up and crashed into the ground.

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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Wed Dec 05, 2001 11:17 am

remember the NWA pilot in (i think) Fargo who was drunk?
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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Wed Dec 05, 2001 11:39 am

I remember NWA pilot being drunk. I am not sure it was in FAR. I believe he lost his job emediately. wont find one again, for sure.
 
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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Wed Dec 05, 2001 1:35 pm

PolAir

Not true, several years later the NWA captain in question did get his job back and retired as a B747 captain.

This was after serving time in a federal prison.

I have no problem with that, everyone makes mistakes,the worst part of the whole incident is that he was warned by a representative of the FAA not to board the flight in question.

Not only did he ignore him, he did not tell the other two
pilots until they were AIRBORNE, thus hanging them out to dry too.

They did not get there jobs back.
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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Wed Dec 05, 2001 1:44 pm

Max Q,
i think we are talking about different pilots, cause i heard about one that happen just like a year ago or maybe even a few months. I remember he was from NW.
 
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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Wed Dec 05, 2001 2:01 pm

I don't think that pilot was re-instated to NWA and I seem to remember the crew being implicated as well.

Who's to say 15 Vodka and Diet Cokes and 4 hours of sleep can't make for a safe operation?  Big grin
 
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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Wed Dec 05, 2001 2:42 pm

DRUNK !!!, You dont need to be drunk to line up on the wrong runway, SQ006 ring a bell ??
 
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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Wed Dec 05, 2001 3:15 pm

AWspicious: Just to clarify, the pilot on the flight you referred to was AMERICAN. He was the only American pilot on a JAL cargo flight - the rest of the crew was Japanese. Cited as contributory causes of the crash was the first and second officer's failure to stop the flight from occuring with an obviously drunk captain. Mentioned in the accident report is the cultural difference between Americans and Japanese in how they deal with authority figures.
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And Ukrainian...

Wed Dec 05, 2001 4:30 pm

I remember seeing numerous ukrainian drunk pilots while I was working on United Nations air base in Zagreb, Croatia...
Most of them were helicopter pilots (Mi-8) on a flights between ZAG and different UN bases in Bosnia during the war there. I remember them hardly getting off the cockpit, and bottles of vodka clearly visible trough the glass cockpit window, under their legs.
I was allways wondering how it's possible to fly in that condition?
Also, I saw a totaly drunk crew taking off from ZAG to BEG and SKP on An-26... They made it, on time. No problem...

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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Wed Dec 05, 2001 4:32 pm

Spacecadet;
Thank you for clarifying. It was so many years ago when I read the article. I'm not surprised I got some of the details mixed up.
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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Wed Dec 05, 2001 5:35 pm

CroFlight,

crews operating contracts onbehalf of UN are not military pilots, so when they ordered by company management to fly into very dangerous regions, where every second child have Kalashnikov submachine gun, and every thrid man have Stinger - crew need some relaxation and a lot of pilots thinking that it is better to fly being drunk than to fly being totally scared  Smile
 
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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Wed Dec 05, 2001 6:26 pm

It's easy to bash 'The Russians' because that's the attitude we've been programmed with for our whole lives.

Last year a BA crew were fired for getting drunk during a nightstop in Europe. Anyone remember that documentary? Very very scary.

It happens to even the most well respected airlines.
 
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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Wed Dec 05, 2001 8:41 pm

The latest case of NWA Drunkeness was on a DC9-40.

>Uh. HELLO, THIS IS THE RUSSIAN SPACE STATION< On an Il-86
 
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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Wed Dec 05, 2001 10:36 pm

I saw that documentary. All he** broke out after it was on TV. HAHA!
How can you risk a job like that with a stupid thing like that!!??
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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Wed Dec 05, 2001 11:16 pm

Actualy the plane would have been A Yak42 of Tatarstan Air
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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Thu Dec 06, 2001 12:22 am

The article names Ilyushin 144 as one of the most dangerous airliners. Can someone tell me what's that? Never heard of it...
 
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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Thu Dec 06, 2001 2:10 am

Could it have been referring to the Tupolev 144, also derisively known as the Concordski? It had design and testing problems leading to several incidents. One crashed at the 1973? Paris Airshow due to a French Mirage spy plane getting too close, which doomed the project, if it wasn't already doomed by the enormous expense to run and maintain the aircraft (apparently needed new tires each time it was used, etc). I believe another crash and a cannard falling off have given it a bad reputation as well. Not getting into the various design and technology arguments, as well as the politics, per flight hours (only a few thousand hours, several incidents), it probably is the most dangerous plane, despite being out of service. BTW, NASA used one to due SST testing in the late 1990's with great success. There is one on display in Germany, and at Moscow Zhukovsky, plus other places. Hope this helps!
 
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RE: Drunken Russian Pilots

Thu Dec 06, 2001 7:17 pm

My friend was telling me of an Olympic Airways experience she had. Apparently, they were meant to depart from Athens to Sydney that day, and for some reason, the flight was to be delayed for a couple of hours. they were only told that the flight was to be delayed after boarding the flight. so they disembarked and went to the bar somewhere in the airport for drinks. at the bar, they met a number of OA flight crews, on that particular flight, having drinks. they even chatted with them. apparently, the FAs were telling them how much they enjoyed these delays as it allows them time to drink....scary. oh well, dont know how credible that story is tho..

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