sudden
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El Al Safety..........

Fri Dec 07, 2001 5:42 pm

When I worked at GOT we had handling on EL AL that came a few times in the summer of -99 I believe it was. The safety around the 752 was really bothering me to be honest. They had there own personal that walked around and checked us every minute. With loaded guns. I know that EL AL counts as a High Risk cause of where they fly, but it got a little to much to have a gun behind you wherever you walked.
I must also add that safety comes first, so it's not that I'm saying that I think it was not good. What was a little desterbing was the weapons.
Is it like this wherever they go?
You maybe also have experience from it?

Regards!
Sudden
When in doubt, flat out!
 
Guest

RE: El Al Safety..........

Fri Dec 07, 2001 6:06 pm

"They had there own personal that walked around and checked us every minute. With loaded guns."

- I am very happy to hear this, I was not so sure there were security guards checking technical employees.
They were probably local security guards.
In Switzerland, flights to Israel (El-Al/Swissair/Arkia/Israir/Sun d'Or) are escorted by police or an armored vehicle; I saw once 4 soldiers with heavy machine-guns around the plane while boarding (it was the day of the 1992 Israeli elections)

BTW, unloaded guns are not of a great help in case of need...

 
wn700driver
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RE: El Al Safety..........

Fri Dec 07, 2001 6:21 pm

BTW, unloaded guns are not of a great help in case of need...

Boy, have I learned that one the hard way...a few times, lol
Base not your happiness on the deeds of others, for what is given can be taken away. No Hope = No Fear
 
sudden
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RE: El Al Safety..........

Fri Dec 07, 2001 6:22 pm

Come on.....
You know what I ment.
When thinking back, the local police at GOT were there as well.
Safety above all!
Does other airlines that comes from surrounding countrys, have the same safety restrictions?
When in doubt, flat out!
 
Guest

RE: El Al Safety..........

Fri Dec 07, 2001 6:45 pm

Does other airlines that comes from surrounding countrys, have the same safety restrictions?

- Many ME airlines have tight security measures.
El-Al needs to take the stringest measures, because destroying one of its planes has always been a dreamed goal for dozens of terrorist organizations.

BTW, it was with a loaded gun that an El-Al security guard saved an attacked Boeing 720 on the ZRH tarmac in 1969 (sadly not before the pilot had been killed by the terrorists).
 
TCA256
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RE: El Al Safety..........

Fri Dec 07, 2001 7:57 pm

I think it's normal on one hand that El Al uses armed
guards to protect its aircrafts and passengers, and
as Toda wrote: it's better to have loaded guns than
unloaded while dealing with hypothetical terrorists. On
the other hand, it's sure that having its own security
guards gives the impression El Al doesn't trust the
professionalism of the local police...I don't really care
to know El Al people carry guns, I mean if you fly
to Israel from any airports in the world, be sure to
see soldiers or local special units carrying machine guns!
It might be a little bit frightening but as long as they
don't bother you and they protect you, who care ?
If you go to Paris at this time, be sure to see lots of
soldiers patrolling the streets to prevent bomb attacks,
it's the same...a matter of security! For the information,
the Americans do the same for their flights...I mean at
least in Belgium, they use to have their own security
guards and they even carefully check the cleaning
ladies washing the toilets on board...so....Sorry if you
don't like it or are a little bit frighten (that's normal,
I definitely understand you...!!!...) but it's also for
your own security, you never know how many crazy
guys would dream to blow up an Israeli aircraft...

By the way, a lot of countries who suffer(ed) from
terrorism apply(ied) such methods at home and
sometimes abroad...India, Sri Lanka, Saudi Arabia,
Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, USA, France ("Vigipirate"),
and so on....

cheers,
 
sudden
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RE: El Al Safety..........

Fri Dec 07, 2001 8:08 pm

Thanks for the info guys!
When in doubt, flat out!
 
Guest

RE: El Al Safety..........

Fri Dec 07, 2001 11:17 pm

that pretty much sums it up, and in today's world, I think its only appropriate.
 
sudden
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RE: El Al Safety..........

Fri Dec 07, 2001 11:18 pm

I know what you meen, but back in -99 I had never experienced anything like it.
When in doubt, flat out!
 
BWIrwy4
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RE: El Al Safety..........

Fri Dec 07, 2001 11:34 pm

what do you think of THIS security?

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Photo © Peter Unmuth - Vienna Aviation Photography

 
Guest

RE: El Al Safety..........

Fri Dec 07, 2001 11:41 pm

BWIrwy4,

what do YOU think of this security?

 
BWIrwy4
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RE: El Al Safety..........

Sat Dec 08, 2001 12:07 am

Looks to me like they're trying to prevent a commando raid. An unlikely scenario, but it has happened before. In Rome, in the 1960s or 70, some terrorists threw grenades into the door of a loaded plane. (PanAm?) I can't remember the specifics. Since El Al is such a high profile target, it makes some sense to me.
 
sudden
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RE: El Al Safety..........

Sat Dec 08, 2001 12:28 am

I like the remark the photographer made.
 Big thumbs up
When in doubt, flat out!
 
Guest

RE: El Al Safety..........

Sat Dec 08, 2001 12:49 am

I don't know which scenario could be defined as "unlikely", especially after September 11 when we horribly witnessed the most evil and sick scenario.


 
Likesplanes
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RE: El Al Safety..........

Sat Dec 08, 2001 2:08 am

This security is why EL AL has not had a hijacking incident in over 30 years, despite being surrounded by countries and people who would like nothing better than to do so. I would consider them the safest airline to fly on in the world today.
 
BWIrwy4
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RE: El Al Safety..........

Sat Dec 08, 2001 2:18 am

how true