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UM Questions..

Sun Dec 09, 2001 4:18 am

Hi, I was planning to take a big trip upon my graduation in 2003 US-Europe-South America. Here is my dilema, I will be 17 at the time, so will I be able to travel alone? I plan to take a flight from LAX-LHR LHR-FRA FRA-ATH FRA-MAD-SCL SCL-LIM LIM-CUZ LIM-AQP SCL-EZE :-d
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RE: UM Questions..

Sun Dec 09, 2001 4:21 am

Yes, I am 16 and I can travel alone. But, it varies whether yo have to have an usher through the terminal depending on the airline, so check with them. Sounds like a great trip!

RE: UM Questions..

Sun Dec 09, 2001 4:34 am

I have been traveling alone since I was 14, it is really no big deal! Choose your airline carefully as if you go with a US carrier you will not be allowed to drink, if you go with a European carrirer they will let you even if you are not 18!
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RE: UM Questions..

Sun Dec 09, 2001 4:40 am

When I was 9 I travelled on DL to CDG from ATL and I got to walk through the terminal by myself, etc.
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RE: UM Questions..

Sun Dec 09, 2001 4:47 am

At 17 you can't be a UM. Correct anyone if I'm wrong.
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RE: UM Questions..

Sun Dec 09, 2001 5:02 am

Yeah, at about 15 I decided it was pointless to be an UM any longer and began doing it myself. The airlines really don't care I think. Gdabski, I'm pretty sure you're right.

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RE: UM Questions..

Sun Dec 09, 2001 5:05 am

Some rules have changed regarding UM since 9/11, and airlines are enforcing all types of rules more carefully now so do some research. However, at 17 years old you should be able to travel "as any other adult", even on international flights.
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Possible Itinerary And Planes

Sun Dec 09, 2001 5:23 am

Hi Lan Peru:

Great trip! This is your finally itinerary or is a possibility? Well here are a list of airlines for your travel:

LAX-LHR, with British Airways
LHR-FRA, with British Airways
FRA-ATH, with Olympic or Lufthansa
ATH-FRA, with Plympic or Lufthansa
FRA-MAD, with Iberia

With the rest of your itinerary I'm confused but here are my alternatives:

Alternative 1

MAD-LIM, with Iberia
LIM-CUZ, with Lan Peru
CUZ-AQP, with Lan Peru
AQP-LIM, with Lan Peru, AeroContinente, TANS or Aviandina
LIM-SCL,with Lan Chile, Lan Peru or Aero Continente
SCL-EZE, with Lan Chile
EZE-LAX?, with Delta

Alternative 2

MAD-SCL, with Lan Chile or Iberia
SCL-EZE, with Lan Chile
EZE-LIM, with TACA Peru
LIM-CUZ, with Lan Peru,
CUZ-AQP, with Lan Peru
AQP-LIM, with Lan Peru
LIM-LAX?, with Lan Chile

Alternative 3

MAD-EZE, with Iberia or Aerolineas
EZE-SCL, with Lan Chile or Aerolineas
SCL-LIM, with Lan Chile, Lan Peru or Aero Continente
LIM-AQP, with Lan Peru
AQP-CUZ, with Lan Peru
CUZ-LIM, with Lan Peru
LIM-LAX?, with Lan Chile, Delta, American or Continental

Possible aircraftin you route:

British Airways: 747-400,737-400, 757-200 or 767-300
Lufthansa: A300-600, A310-300, A320, A321
Olympic: 737-400
Iberia: A320, A340-300
Lan Peru: A320 or 737-200Adv, 767-300ER
AeroContinente: 727-100 737-200Adv, 767-200ER
TANS: 737-200Adv
Aviandina: 727-200
Lan Chile: 767-300ER, A320, A340-300
Delta: 757-200, 767-300ER, 767-400ER.
TACA Peru: A319
Aerolineas: A340-300, 747-200
American: A300-600, 757-200, MD-82, 757-200
Continental: 737-700, 737-800, 757-200.

Best Regards,

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RE: UM Questions..

Sun Dec 09, 2001 5:28 am

just as everyone else has said, you can travel alone at 17 without any problems. i've been traveling alone since 14 on international flights. you could always get the UM service if you want. it'll cost you $25 each way on LH. have a safe trip!
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RE: UM Questions..

Sun Dec 09, 2001 5:41 am

A 17 year old UM? Never heard of that. You can travel alone if you are 14 or older (maybe even 12?). I don't know until what age airlines offer UM service. But I remember once we had a UM inbound, I think it was on Sabena, he was 15 years old and the stewardess was very happy when I came to pick him up from the aircraft, seems like he tried to start flirting with her during the whole flight. But what could she do, she could not ignore him, his parents payed for a UM service which includes that the stewardess keeps an eye on him during the flight. That poor lady!
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RE: UM Questions..

Sun Dec 09, 2001 6:15 am

The only concern may be transiting between countries without a parent or guardian with you.
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RE: UM Questions..

Sun Dec 09, 2001 6:21 am

Under 5 - Cannot travel without escort

5-12 - Must travel as UM

12 onwards - may be classified as UM at the discretion of parent/guardian.
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RE: UM Questions..

Sun Dec 09, 2001 7:05 am

Yes, it is true that most airlines consider 12+ adult for pricing and travel purposes; but you may want to take the time to check every country you are going to for entry documentation needed. For example if you are traveling to Mexico along any part of your trip (I know things can get revised) you would need to have a notarized letter of consent signed by both parents.
Spain requires as follows from Timatic
- all minors from 15 up to 18 years of age must hold their own
passport or National Identity Card.

Minors up to 18 years of age (from all countries) and
travelling unaccompanied must hold:
1. Passport; or
2. National Identity Card, and
exit form from country of origin certified by the parent(s)
or legal guardian. This certified exit form must be
legalized by their local authorities, e.g. police,
immigration authorities, etc.
I didn't see any other countries along your proposed route that required anything special, but a great rescource if you have registered for it is
if you are not a registered user delta gives you limited acces to it through their website

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