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Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:36 am

Hi.

As you'll see from the caption's description, this a/c is flying to GOT; is this a special flight, or a scheduled route? Just curious, seems odd to have this airline flying such a route.

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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Mon Dec 10, 2001 10:14 am

I'm not sure about that exact route but, yes, Iran Air does fly to Gothenburg.


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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Mon Dec 10, 2001 10:22 am

May be Tehran-Copenhagen-Gothenburg-Tehran?
 
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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Mon Dec 10, 2001 11:07 am

I think that bad management plays an important role to reducing the profitability of many airlines. We don´t have to be a Stephen Wolf to figure out that a Teehran - Gothenburg route can never yield enough cash to keep the service going.

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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Mon Dec 10, 2001 11:38 am

IR fly THR-GOT once a week each way with a 747SP and once a week each way THR-CPH with a 747SP
 
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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Mon Dec 10, 2001 7:24 pm

Thanks very much for the replies.

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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:29 pm

Why should a niche route not be profitable ? Iran Air serves some unusual European destinations, e.g. Hamburg. It simply depends on the catchment area and Iran Air seems to rely heavily on the overseas Iranian community which has some strongholds for example in northern Germany and - possibly - Sweden. Another good example is Mahan Air that will start a DUS service in 2.2002. They are targeting the 80.000 or so Iranians in the catchment are of DUS airport.
 
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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:12 pm

It's a scheduled flight. It goes THR-CPH-GOT. I have worked at GOT and with Iran air.
It arrives at 10.50 am and departs at 16.00 pm

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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:19 pm

Once again, thanks very much for the extra info!

Well, if they can make a profit out of such routes, good for them! I hear that Iran is an extremely interesting country to visit, I was watching a 'Lonely Planet' programme on Iran last night-looked fascinating.

What a/c is Mahan Air hoping to operate to DUS? I seem to remember seeing a B727 in their colours in DXB a few years back. Are they the ones with the A300?

As far as the UK is concerned, the only competition to Tehran is with British Mediterranean Airways, who use the A320 or A321 (not sure which) to fly out there, and I think there's a stop in Damascus.

They were hoping to fly to THR non-stop with their new A321's, last time I heard.

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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:28 pm

Iran Air used to fly THR-CPH-GOT-CPH-THR earlier this year, as Anton said, but it has now been changed.

The schedule is now as follows:

Iran Air flies THR-CPH-THR on Mondays, arrives CPH at 1300 and departs CPH at 1500.
The route is most flown with a 747SP but sometimes 747-100 or A310.

On Tuesdays Iran Air is flying THR-GOT-THR, without the stop at CPH. This route is now operated by A310.
Seems to be quite many Iranians living in Gothenburg then because I have heard that the flight is always full.

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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Mon Dec 10, 2001 11:02 pm

If you only knew how heavy that flight is!!!!
They buy everything. TV:s, frigerators you name it.
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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Mon Dec 10, 2001 11:07 pm

Vfw614,

My feeling is that an exotic route like THR-GOT-THR, flown by a 747-SP, can´t be profitable. Let us see some of the arguments:

1. An once-a-week flight hardly cover the fixed-operational costs of running an airline in any site. It has to keep employees, management and facilities. Even if Iran Air outsorces these services, I doubt it can break-even.

2. It is difficult to see enough economic, political and cultural sinergy between THR and GOT. The Iranian community isn´t that large in Sweden(for example, the Punjabi community in Vancouver, Canada represents over 10% of the local population and there are no direct flights from YVR to India yet!). Also, none of the two locations are key players as regional hubs to helping capitalize and distribute traffic. Besides all that, Iran Air does not have any major code-share agreements, which could generate some extra revenue in this route.

3. The type of aircraft used in this flight suggests that, under normal circunstances, it must yield high load factors and expensive fares everytime it takes off in order to make any cash.

4. Finally, the scenario got even darker for non-traditional international routes after Spt/11.


Anyways... Those are just my thoughts!


Regards,


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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Tue Dec 11, 2001 12:42 am

Ciro, obviously Iran Air disagrees with your opinion. Perhaps they know best what routes are profitable for them?

If the flight is always full, as another poster posted, then I see no reason to doubt that the route is profitable.

And BTW, THR-GOT is an A310, not 747SP.

Also, while many international routes have been hit hard, the Europe-Asia flights have been hit the least.
 
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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Tue Dec 11, 2001 3:27 am

In some way IranAir must make the route profitable, otherwise they wouldn't fly it. And I'm glad that they do, since IranAir is one of quite few widebodies we have at GOT.

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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Tue Dec 11, 2001 5:31 am

TransSwede,

I hope my statement is wrong, but economics still supports my arguments. I doubt a single weekly flight can cover the costs of keeping an operational base in GOT, even if it is full both ways.

If Iran Air could disclose its financial performance numbers, we could definatelly get more accurate information in this subject and see if my statement is really wrong. I´ve just checked their web site and I found just rubbish regarding this topic.

Anyways... Those are just my thoughts. Thank you for the input.

Take care!!


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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:16 am

Iran Air is flying to CPH, ARN and OSL only once a week too so the routes must be profitable.

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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Tue Dec 11, 2001 6:59 pm

They fly the route with either the 747SP or the A300-600. No A310 is used on that route.
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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:16 pm

Sudden,
they changed. Lately they have come with the A310.
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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:17 pm

I agree with Ciro.

Iran Air is owned by the state of Iran, and flights like this one might be kept even if they aren't profitable, for other reasons...
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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:18 pm

OH, thanks for that info.
For how long have they flew with that one? You know?
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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:21 pm

And why chould that route not be profitable?!
When it comes to THR-GOT it can't be anything else then profitable! More or less always full flights out of GOT. And they handle some cargo in and out of GOT. So yes, it's a profitable route.
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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:25 pm

Who said it's not profitable? It just may be profitable, on the other hand there's a chance ( a big one) of the flight not being profitable. How many people do you think travel in F/C class? The flight is only once a week so it's not convenient for Biz travellers. The yields are probably low because most of the traffic is VFR.
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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:33 pm

Lets say like this....

Reason they fly a "big" A/C on this route has a reason. They need it.
Ciro have doubts that it's not a profitable route.
And there is alot pax flying F/C class!!! I know this!
Lets say I have worked very close to that airline.
Maybe Jan Mogren and GOT (the user) can conferm this.
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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:42 pm

I don't know anything about the load factor, but they certainly can't have much costs. No ticket office.
They have a representative, I think that is all.

If you can't make a profit then...
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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:54 pm

Well, they do actually have a ticketoffice, but not at the airport. They have it Gothenburgh (Friggagatan).
About the representative you are correct. He's at the airport when the flight comes till it departs.
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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:58 pm

The place at Friggagatan is a travel agency, is it not?
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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Tue Dec 11, 2001 8:08 pm

Oh sorry!
Yes I mixed it up.
Anyway, the loadfactor and cargo all together, sure makes it a profitable route.
The thing is with this flight, is also that people from Iran that lives in Sweden, buy things for there relatives, and fly it down to Iran.
So it's more or less the same pax. that always fly.
And they fly alot!


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RE: Iran Air-Copenhagen To Gothenburg?

Tue Dec 11, 2001 8:37 pm

I think their operations to Scandinavia are profitable cause in the last month they cut Rome FCO flights that's sure could seem more actractive than GOT, but at the end the financial number talked different.

Sure with the A330/300 they could be have less operative cost than with the B747SP on the Iran - Europe routes and I will not surprise to see them increase the number of weekly flights to Europe.