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Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 2:56 am

Good Day-
Recently, I was talking with a friend of mine whos father was on the American Airlines jet that crashed in to tower one. Has any part(s) of the plane(s) been found? Or would something like that be virtually impossible in all the rubble. I dont know I felt bad for him, so I was just wondering.
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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 5:43 am

I beleive they found a large piece of debris shaped like a cockpit and a person in it that was probably one of the hijackers. Also they found a FA with her hands tied together. Hope this helps

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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 5:55 am

I recall seeing a picture of the landing gear of one of the 767s. I'm no 100% positive though.

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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 5:55 am

No way would they find the cockpit, that would be in a zillion peices after an impact at that speed!
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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 6:12 am

Did they actually find the CVRs and FDRs of the two 767s that crashed into the WTC? I never heard or read a transcript of what the terrorists said in those last moments.
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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 6:21 am

As far as I know, all they have found are a 10 foot piece of the American plane, and some seats from the United plane.
 
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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 6:24 am

They did find one of the hijackers passports in the wreckage.
 
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Iain

Tue Dec 11, 2001 8:11 am

>>No way would they find the cockpit, that would be in
>>a zillion peices after an impact at that speed!

Actually, they did find the cockpit of one of the airliners. It was resting on a roof of a nearby building! I guess in the explosion it was flung off.

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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 8:41 am

I saw pictures on cnn that they found the tires of one of the planes that crashed into the WTC. They also found a chunk of the body of the aircraft. Sorry to hear.  Sad

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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 9:34 am

You can quite clearly see parts of the United 767 pass through the other side of Tower 2 if you watch the video taken from the side (not the one from the park where you see it impact the building in front of you.) It looked an awful like the cockpit/nose section of the plane to me. I remarked about that on 9/11 when I was watching the footage as it was initially broadcast.

That seems consistent with the searchers finding part of the cockpit on the roof of a nearby building.

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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 10:55 am

Why wouldn't it have just gotten crushed?

I think there will be hundreds of bodies that will never get recovered. The crash produced a very hot fire along with the crushing force of the collapsing building. Most of them were "vaporized" or reduced to a fine powder mixed in with all the other powdered remains of the offices.

That's one reason I think the WTC site should be a memorial or some sort. Hundreds of lives were not only ended there but they have become a permanent part of the site.
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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 11:03 am

Find a part of the cockpit? This is complete B.S. because going at a 100m/hour would leave a car without the whole nose section. The airplanes were going over 500 miles an hour, so nothing but small debree of stuff from the back might be left to recognizable shape, but the first part would've never survived that crash...
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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 11:05 am

The airplanes were going over 500 miles an hour

Where did you hear that?
 
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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 11:17 am

I think there will be hundreds of bodies that will never get recovered. The crash produced a very hot fire along with the crushing force of the collapsing building. Most of them were "vaporized" or reduced to a fine powder mixed in with all the other powdered remains of the offices.

At least 20 bodies have been found in the past few days. Debris-removal work is now down into the basement areas of the towers, where there are some voids in the wreckage which have allowed bodies to remain reasonably intact. The existence of these voids was known right after the collapses, and it was originally thought that some people might have survived in them, but unfortunately that was not the case.
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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 11:20 am

Airplanes go really fast, on the chart that I have it lists the speeds. Like 747-100= 589 miles/ hour
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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 11:26 am

Airplanes go really fast

Thanks for the information. But that doesn't prove anything.
 
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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 11:33 am

If they thought of how to attack America and where in the world trade center to hit so that fire trucks cant reach the blaze and enough weight on top so that it will fall, I'm sure they thoguht of the speed they would've gone in it.

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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 11:43 am

Have they recovered the CVRs or FDRs yet? Or have they determined that they were totally destroyed?
 
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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 11:48 am

I highly doubt that the FDR/CVR will be found. They probably melted in the first hour or so after impact. They are made to withstand high-temperatures, but there is no way they can withstand both high-temps and the impact/weight of the falling tower.

I hope I am wrong though...

Vafi--589 mph is the crusing speed of a 747. The 767 does not have 4 engines. The 767 was not crusing. The 767 was at a low altituide, and if they hit 590 mph the plane would have broken up. That's well above Vmo.

 
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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 12:25 pm

Actually the airplanes were going around 330 knots or so.. thats redline speed close to sea level in jets. The 747 isnt much faster than the 767. Having two engines doesnt make that much of a difference.

It was around 350 mph they hit.
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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 12:38 pm

It was around 350 mph they hit.

That sounds more like it.

Vafi88, I'm sorry if I sounded harsh. I've actually been curious about the pre-impact speed, but hadn't heard anything about it.

500 MPH just sounded way too fast at that altitude.
 
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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 2:37 pm

They've found most of both aircraft that hit the WTC, all of the one that crashed in Pa. and I'm guessing (but not sure) all of the one that crashed into the Pentagon. Just think about it; every last scrap of debris has been cleaned up from the Pentagon and all of the surface debris has been cleaned from the WTC. As they clean, they sift and sort. No, not every tiny 1mm piece of airplane is going to be identified among all that wreckage, but plenty of planes have crashed at higher speeds than this and have been 80-90% reconstructed.

I've personally seen large portions of the cabin, seats, landing gear, wings, and various other parts of the planes that hit the WTC. That's just what's been on TV - the NTSB and FBI no doubt has the rest sectioned off somewhere.

Think about where these planes hit and how the wreckage would be distributed. The planes hit near the top of each tower; the towers collapsed straight down. The airplanes would be near the top of the pile. At the moment, what's left at the WTC site is underground debris as well as buildings 3, 4 and 5, which all need to be torn down. That's a lot of debris and it's what constitutes the nearly 50% of the total that's being quoted as being left. The towers, though, and pretty much everything in them (including the airplanes) has been removed with the exception of one stubborn wall. The airplane parts that I saw on TV were at the landfill where the debris is being taken, and I have no doubt that nearly 100% of both planes are there and have been identified to a large extent.

The CVR and FDR have not been found as far as I know. If they had been, there's a good likelihood they'd be damaged beyond repair. The city is actually dunking every truckload of debris in a bath of water to try to activate the pinger from the FDR, and none has sounded yet - meaning it's most likely not operational as I've no doubt the FDR and CVR were in one of these debris piles (possibly as unrecognizable wreckage).
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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 3:11 pm

That wall will be preserved. It will be on display in a museum in NYC. 3 WTC is already gone. 4 5 and 6 are partially destroyed and will not be torn down until the 1 & 9 Subway and Path lines below are secured so that heavy equipment can roll over to it's spot and begin demolition. I guess the 1 and 9 lines from Chambers to South Ferry will come on line before you know it. The PATH station is intact along with the entrances but the tunnels leading to it are flooded and caved in. One of the beams from the South Tower went through the 3rd rail! The Sation itself is not underneath the towers but the tunnels we're.
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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 5:21 pm

I agree 350 mph sounds acceptable for a 767-200 at SL. Even doing this speed they would probably have been close to VMO. But 500mph is not possible at SL- it is possible at higher levels FL350 etc.
 
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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Tue Dec 11, 2001 11:27 pm

4 5 and 6 are partially destroyed and will not be torn down until the 1 & 9 Subway and Path lines below are secured so that heavy equipment can roll over to it's spot and begin demolition.

These buildings already are in the process of being demolished. One segment of the 1 & 9 tunnel was filled with concrete to allow heavy equipment to operate above without danger of cave-ins. Nothing of that sort was needed with the PATH tunnels, although a smaller concrete "plug" was inserted on the New Jersey side to minimize the danger of flooding.

I guess the 1 and 9 lines from Chambers to South Ferry will come on line before you know it. The PATH station is intact along with the entrances but the tunnels leading to it are flooded and caved in. One of the beams from the South Tower went through the 3rd rail! The Sation itself is not underneath the towers but the tunnels we're.

Pictures of the damaged IRT 1 & 9 tunnel and its Cortlandt Street station can be seen here. Note that parts of the station are completely collapsed, while other parts are nearly intact (even the light bulbs are unbroken). It was this tunnel, not the PATH tunnel, that was pierced by a beam.
The PATH station suffered a partial collapse, but in general is in better shape than Cortlandt Street.
No one has yet come up with a timetable for reopening the 1 & 9 line. It is possible that the Transit Authority may rebuild it along a different alignment, as it would be more useful to the World Financial Center and Battery Park City if it ran farther to the west. No matter what's decided, the line's unlikely to reopen for another few years. PATH may reopen within two years if all goes well.
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RE: Aircraft Involved In 9/11

Wed Dec 12, 2001 6:08 am

<< The city is actually dunking every truckload of debris in a bath of water to try to activate the pinger from the FDR, and none has sounded yet - meaning it's most likely not operational as I've no doubt the FDR and CVR were in one of these debris piles (possibly as unrecognizable wreckage). >>

That's very interesting. So they only start pinging when they're submersed or wet? Is it possible to overlook them although they're bright orange?  Confused

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