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American Airlines Md-11's

Wed Jul 28, 1999 8:32 am

does anyone know the reason as to why american wants to phase out its md-11,s,and how many does american currently have?

RE: American Airlines Md-11's

Wed Jul 28, 1999 9:02 am

I believe 777 is the main reason for phrasing out MD-11, since MD-11 under performs its original expectations. Also, I believe FedEx approahed AA for the MD-11s at a pretty good price.

RE: American Airlines Md-11's

Wed Jul 28, 1999 9:19 am

Here is how the story goes: when Boeing made plans to manufacture a twin engine-long range-aircraft (of course I'm talking about the triple 7) it offered it first to American....however American was lured by McDonell promesing AA that its Md-11 will not only have a longer range but also a bigger passenger capacity.. Anyways, Boeing being in this predicament turned to its second option: United and this is how United was the first customer launch for the 777. Meanwhile American soon realize that the Md-11 is faaaarrrr away from the performance of the 777, but it was too late to put in the orders so AA had to stand back in line behind United, then British Air, Cathay Pacific, and the rest of the Asian big airlines this is why American just now is getting its triple 7's and now getting rid of its older Md-11's which are outperformed by the better Boeing competitor,
Well that's the story, I'm not sure how many Md-11 AA originally had or now has, hope to answer your question
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RE: American Airlines Md-11's

Wed Jul 28, 1999 9:46 am

They have 11.

RE: American Airlines Md-11's

Wed Jul 28, 1999 10:24 am

You all know that the MD-11 is know better then it was originaly said in the begining of teh MD-11 project.

You all seem to dislike the MD-11 because it has bad performance, farrrrr bad performance as one said. The MD-11 is much better now then in the early 90's.

It has exceeded the originaly specification that McDonnell Douglas said to it's customers when the project started. But it's a fact that the reputation is badly hurted because of it's early faults.


RE: American Airlines Md-11's

Wed Jul 28, 1999 11:44 am

Some people need to be more informed about aircraft, no one denies the capabilities of the Md-11 but surely not as good as the triple 7
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RE: American Airlines Md-11's

Wed Jul 28, 1999 1:24 pm

The fact of the matter is that the MD-11 has indeed become a better aircraft since it's introduction. But it's a case to too little too late. By the time MD finally fixed the range problems with MD-11 (it was a fuel burn rate problem) , the figures for the preformance of the triple 7 were out and it made more economic sense to buy the triple 7 than pay the economic penities cause by updating the MD-11 to reach it projected range. One major thing no one had brought up is the fact that MD got bought out by Boeing. So the MD-11 production line was going to stop anyhow. So AA had to face the fact that they had a plane that 1. didn't live up to it's potental and 2. was going to be out of production soon.
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RE: American Airlines Md-11's

Fri Jul 30, 1999 11:28 am

American has been phasing out the MD11 for many years now, way before anyone knew about Boeing buying McDonald Douglas.Even before we took delivery of the last firm order, wich brought the fleet count to 30,plans were being firmed up with FedEx to sell them all the a/c, but this of course was only after suitable long-range a/c could be adquired to replace the 747SP and to use on Asia routes planed but not yet operating, wich were originally to be MD11. There were so many problems , not only with late a/c deliveries , but serious mechanical faults in practically all a/c systems that some new service stat-up dates had to be pushed back and SJC-TOKYO svc. had to start operating with DC10-30s that would take-off from SJC and land in OAKLAND!! to to fuel-up for the Pacific crossing (something about take-off weights with a full fuel load) a MESS!!

RE: American Airlines Md-11's

Fri Jul 30, 1999 2:18 pm

They want to standardize to 767s and 777s. they werent getting the sort of performance out of them that they were hoping for...not sure how many are in the fleet, under 20 i believe

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