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AA Out Of BUR

Thu Dec 13, 2001 2:14 am

At about 9am this morning I saw an AA SP80 (undoubtedly on it's way to DFW since that's AA's only destination out of BUR) take off to the south as is normal out of BUR, but rather than turning to the west and circling around the Valley, which is normal, it turned east and headed out over LA, which is not normal. Any idea what's going on here?
 
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RE: AA Out Of BUR

Thu Dec 13, 2001 2:59 am

There might be reverse traffic at LAX.
 
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RE: AA Out Of BUR

Thu Dec 13, 2001 3:58 am

Sorry, I just got home and missed the AA Eastbound departure from BUR. This is not normal, even when LAX traffic is departing East, as commented above. I can't answer why but it isn't a normal SID.

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RE: AA Out Of BUR

Thu Dec 13, 2001 4:09 am

Sptv: AAL1188 BUR-ONT-DFW
 
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RE: AA Out Of BUR

Thu Dec 13, 2001 4:21 am

I lived in Studio City for 8 years and NEVER saw that happen...hmmm...
BTW, the best at BUR is when they're landing on 33, using visual approaches! The planes would turn in right over my house! Big grin
 
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RE: AA Out Of BUR

Thu Dec 13, 2001 8:15 am

Hey B737 --

where did you get info that AA1188 stops in ONT before continuing on to DFW? I only find that 1188 is non-stop BUR-DFW.

 
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RE: AA Out Of BUR

Thu Dec 13, 2001 11:30 am

AA1188 is a scheduled nonstop flight. Today, probably because of winds or a high takeoff weight, they decided to do a quick fuel upload in Ontario which has been done before on days when Rwy33 is in use or during very hot temps.

Sptv: Not too long after you posted this I checked out http://www.FlightArrivals.com and looked at the departure list for BUR. American had landed and was just about to depart for DFW.

 
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RE: AA Out Of BUR

Thu Dec 13, 2001 11:39 am

Yeah, I've seen it fly over my house before. I've also seen planes fly ONT-BUR.
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RE: AA Out Of BUR

Thu Dec 13, 2001 1:47 pm

B737-112 is correct. I found the flight tracker was shown one stop at ONT. Maybe the reason high winds or over weight due short runway at BUR. Interesting...

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RE: AA Out Of BUR

Thu Dec 13, 2001 3:01 pm

Well, well, this looks like some of the BUR crowd...

Anyway, about your mention of how the plane didn't turn west and then north after departure but flew 'over the hill' and into the city, this is indeed rare. But something funny about that. From school in sordid North Hollywood I have a nice view of BUR departures. Last week, Friday I think I noticed a UA 733 [735?] seemed to keep heading south after departure I thought this was very odd, I've flown from BUR many times and never has the flight departed out over the city.

Oddly enough I was having dinner in Studio City that evening and I over heard the hostess saying 'this really noisy plane flew over my house this morning, and I live in Los Feliz, so there aren't a lot of planes flying over.'

Also, today, at 2:00pm or so this 752 came out of BUR, it was white and had a rather JAL style livery, I couldn't stare at it too much, I was walking across the street with this girl, and I couldn't make too many observations about the trees for too long, and well you know we can't sacfrice everything for aviation...

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RE: AA Out Of BUR

Thu Dec 13, 2001 5:37 pm

Hey N960AS, that 752 belongs to a Geneva based company named Privatair (HB-IEE), there are many photos of this particular plane on this site. It was doing a nonstop to CYYR (Goose Bay, Canada).
 
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RE: AA Out Of BUR

Fri Dec 14, 2001 2:58 pm

I found here it's HB-IEE of Privatair 757. Is that you saw this plane out of BUR?


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RE: AA Out Of BUR

Fri Dec 14, 2001 4:11 pm

Big777jet, that is definetly the one N960AS saw. I spent hours there that day and it departed right when he said he saw it, that was the only 757 departure until UPS took off for SDF at around 7:40PM.

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RE: AA Out Of BUR

Fri Dec 14, 2001 4:27 pm

Thank you for averring that was the plane I saw B737-112, indeed it was. Too bad I couldn't stare at it any longer, it was a nice change from all the 737s.

There is a red and cream colored 752 that I've seen at BUR a lot. I heard it was owned by the guy who owns "Ralph's" supermarkets. Is that true? I'm more a Mayfair man myself.

On some other BUR stuff. I never realized how much UA cut down, I think they cut SF flights in half, from ten to five. Do they still use all four of their gates?

When I landed at BUR Saturday after Thanksgiving our flight got in at 1130pm or so, it was weird being there with everything closed.

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RE: AA Out Of BUR

Fri Dec 14, 2001 5:43 pm

960, the 752 that you mentioned (N770BB) is owned by an investor that at one point did own Ralphs Grocery.


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On The Subject Of Short Runways...

Fri Dec 14, 2001 9:58 pm

BUR has what? 6300ft? How about SNA, at only 5700ft! I wonder how often, let's say, Continental takes a weight penalty with their 737-700, nonstop to EWR. Or even Aloha, with their nonstops to HNL and OGG? I believe SNA has the shortest air carrier runway in the country, with the longest range flights. AMAZING.
 
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UA Gates At BUR

Sat Dec 15, 2001 3:49 am

Yes, they still use all 4 gates. I flew AS from BUR to PDX over Thanksgiving weekend on the 7a flight. The 737 to DEN was parked at gate four, and the other three gates were prepping for the SFO flights as usual. Seems like with the cutback in flights, they could easily cut back the number of gates they need.

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RE: AA Out Of BUR

Sat Dec 15, 2001 4:24 am

BTW: The reason for HB-IEE @ BUR, was to take the cast of the movie "Oceans Eleven" to Ramstein AFB in Germany, to meet with the troops.

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RE: AA Out Of BUR

Sat Dec 15, 2001 4:43 am

Keep the BUR news coming! I miss it so.

In regards to departures, I can remember from the youth that there was always an Alaska flight in the late afternoon that did not do the post-takeoff turn to the west and north, but instead continued to the southeast over my house.

Was home for Thanksiving and was treated to a missed approach by an Alaska 737 on RWY 33. Was in the Frye's parking lot making my way into the store with a non-aviation inclined friend and said to him "What the hell does he think he's doing!?" Sure enough, gear up, nose up, looped around and got it done right about five minutes later.

The thing that puzzled me was the SW 73 that then took off to the West on 25 is it? Is that usually what happens when they're landing on 33? Oh well, I guess I'm out of touch . .
 
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RE: BURules

Sat Dec 15, 2001 5:14 am

It's very common for planes to depart on Rwy.26 when the winds are varying from the North @ BUR. The arrivals take place on Rwy. 33 and since the majority of gates parallel Rwy.26, it makes for a quick departure, rather than having to taxi across 15/33 and makes for a quicker takeoff in between Rwy. 33 arrivals.

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RE: BURules

Sat Dec 15, 2001 6:01 am

I've also taken off on 33 going north (does it have a different number then?), a few years ago on an AS MD80 -- had to stop in OAK to refuel on the way up to PDX. Also landed once coming back from LAS on SW on 33 going south! Kind of wild coming in over the mountains like that and then just being on the ground.

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RE: AA Out Of BUR

Sat Dec 15, 2001 8:18 am

Hey Sptv--
That happened to me once, over Thanksgiving, I don't remember what year, it was an Alaska MD80 flight from BUR to PDX and due to winds and a heavy payload we had to stop at OAK for fuel - maybe we were on the same flight.

I like sitting in the 'A' seats and taking off heading south [the normal way, sorry I can never remember the runway numbers at BUR, only LAX and JFK seem to stick in my head]. From that view I can almost see my neighborhood behind Universal studios, but the hills still block it kind of.

When I landed at BUR that night UA only had 3 737s at the gates - oh well. Why didn't they replace the 722 DEN flight with an A319/20? What's with those Mesa CRJs? HP really bailed. Weren't we gonna have Skywest return? Or was I dreaming?

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RE: AA Out Of BUR

Sat Dec 15, 2001 4:32 pm

HP is going to slowly re-introduce the 733 and 319/320's into BUR, the CRJ's are temporary due to load factors and money issues. We should see no more Mesa service as of February.

Skywest/Delta Connection was going to introduce new CRJ service to SLC (I believe Nov 1), obviously for the airlines that ended up being a bad time to expand and plans were understandably abandoned.

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