spyderz
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Greyhound Air

Thu Dec 13, 2001 12:53 pm

With all the talk of recent failed Canadian airlines, one that isn't mentioned is Greyhound Air. Now I don't know much about this airline, so could u guys just put my mind at ease. What planes did they fly? What destinations did they serve? and Why did they go under? I know this is fairly recent, but help here would be appreciated. All I can remember is that they had to operate under Kelowna Flightcraft because they couldn't get their own safety certificate. Also, I probably believe they flew 727's cause that just seems logical. Thanks a lot guys.
 
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RE: Greyhound Air

Thu Dec 13, 2001 12:56 pm

Yep they flew all 727-200's.


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AirCanadaMan
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RE: Greyhound Air

Thu Dec 13, 2001 12:57 pm

They operated 727-200's in the Western Triangle, and to some Prarie Destinations, like YWG.

Thats all I remeber, although I do remember watching their 722's pulling into the gates at YEG from the Ac Maple Leaf lounge.

That was in September of 1997.
 
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RE: Greyhound Air

Thu Dec 13, 2001 12:58 pm

1996-1997 Greyhound Air Calgary Formed by Greyhound Lines of Canada. Ceased ops when parent company was acquired by Laidlaw Inc.


Registration Aircraft Type c/n Origin Fate Remarks
C-GIKF B.727-227 20772 lsf Kelowna Flightcraft
C-GJKF B.727-227 21042 lsf Kelowna Flightcraft no titles
C-GKKF B.727-227 21043 lsf Kelowna Flightcraft
C-GLKF B.727-227 21118 lsf Kelowna Flightcraft no titles
C-GMKF B.727-227 21119 lsf Kelowna Flightcraft no titles
C-GNKF B.727-227 20839 lsf Kelowna Flightcraft
C-GOKF B.727-214 20162 lsf Kelowna Flightcraft

 
AirCanadaMan
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RE: Greyhound Air

Thu Dec 13, 2001 12:58 pm

I stand corrected, Toronto as well.

Sorry for that.
 
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RE: Greyhound Air

Thu Dec 13, 2001 1:33 pm

They also served YHM to YWG 2 flights a day and they had some of their best passenger numbers out of here. They never really we broke laidlaw just bought greyhound and never wanted an airline.
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RE: Greyhound Air

Thu Dec 13, 2001 3:12 pm

Greyhound did not operate a single 727. Kelowna Flightcraft operated the 727s in Greyhound Air colours but NOT titles since it was actually Kelowna Flight Craft. Greyhound never had an airline operating certificate. Even their callsign was "Flightcraft". Greyhound was simply Kelowna Flightcrafts booking agent.
Hope this answers your question.
 
Cessnapimp
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RE: Greyhound Air

Thu Dec 13, 2001 3:51 pm

They also served Ottawa. (YOW)
 
superdawg
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RE: Greyhound Air

Thu Dec 13, 2001 11:19 pm

They may have never been broke, but it has been said that they never ran in the black and were consistently losing money.
 
AC183
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RE: Greyhound Air

Fri Dec 14, 2001 12:38 am

Greyhound was a partnership between Kelowna Flighcraft (better known as the freight contractor for Purolator Courier) and Greyhound Lines of Canada. Greyhound did the marketing, and KF ran the flight operations. They had some problems originally starting up because of foreign ownership rules and also operating certificates (for Flightcraft to operated schedule passenger flights), but did get started up in '96 after about 3 months of delays. They flew transcontinental routes to destinations such as Vancouver, Kelowna, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Ottawa, Hamilton and Toronto. Service was typical low-fare, seating was Southwest-style boarding. Initially they had direct ticket sales only, but added travel agent sales shortly after startup. They also had a rather good advertising campaign.

In winter '97 they lost money, but loads were good in summer '97 and it appeared as though they were starting to crack the market. At that point, however, the parent company of Greyhound Canada was subject to a takeover bid by Laidlaw, which was primarily interested in the bus lines. I think it can be quite fairly argued that Laidlaw never planned to let the airline survive. Laidlaw didn't particularly want an airline for one thing, and wasn't particularly fond of the idea of running losses through winter '98. Although I've heard that the airline was fairly profitable summer '97 (in Hamilton, for example, load factors were >90%), Laidlaw wasn't interested and it was just shut down at the end of September '97 with no attempt was made to sell the business. Rather a shame, really, as I think the concept was pretty good.


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spyderz
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RE: Greyhound Air

Fri Dec 14, 2001 1:17 am

Thanks a lot guys, cleared up things in my mind. By the sounds of things, if the ownership group persisted, we possibly could still have a good little airline.