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Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Thu Dec 13, 2001 11:59 pm

Ryanair CEO Michael O'Leary announced in an interview that the Ryanair stategy will focus on Germany in 2002/2003. In addition to the new routes from HHN that will be inaugurated in Feb/Mar 2002 (Bergamo, Pisa, Pescara, Montpellier, Perpignan, Torp, Bournemouth), Ryanair will add flights to STN and/or DUB from 2 or 3 more German airports in summer 2002. Starting in 2003, Ryanair hopes to offer domestic services, undercutting LH fares by up to 80%. Possible routes he mentioned were HHN - SXF, HHN - LBC and flights to Berlin from destinations in Southern Germany.

He did not mention which German airports will be added for the STN/DUB routes, but airports that are known to be possible candidates from FR's point of view are, among others, FDH, FKB, SXF, ERF and LRC.
 
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RE: Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Fri Dec 14, 2001 12:09 am


Oh yes that would be cool. Please don't forget STR Ryanair !!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Fri Dec 14, 2001 1:14 am

Well, I don't think STR would fall into the usual Rynanair pattern - how about "Stuttgart (Baden) Airport".....
 
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RE: Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Fri Dec 14, 2001 1:47 am

That sound great, I hope they will fly from DUS or MGL to FRA. Never again with LH, a dream for me !!!

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RE: Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Fri Dec 14, 2001 1:54 am

Damn RYANAIR should stay in Ireland!
I'm interested how succesfull the new hub HHN will be.
HHN to montpellier AHA!
This route will have a minimum load factor of 200%!
Bergamo, Pisa oh my god!
I hope this will end in a financial crash!
 
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RE: Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Fri Dec 14, 2001 2:09 am

Ryanair to MGL? Do you think the runway is long enough? Well, I think they should just simply try it... Big grin
 
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RE: Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Fri Dec 14, 2001 2:20 am

Hi Ndebele !

OK, the runway at Mönchengladbach is a little bit to short for a 737 Big grin but the runway at Dortmund is long enough for it. Ryanair should try it from DTM.

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RE: Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Fri Dec 14, 2001 2:25 am

The future domestic service (if it will happen) that Ryanair want to offer from Frankfurt, are also from Hanh??
Cause have no sense from Frankfurt to Berlin (for example) drive to Hahn and then landinig in SXF (cause I don't think they will use Tegel).
If you compare the time of the ICE train it seem more convenient the train.
 
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RE: Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Fri Dec 14, 2001 2:44 am


True also think a flight from Hahn to SXF will not be very successful. Who do they want to target witht hat flight for exmaple. Hahn is pretty far from Frankfurt and actually in the middle of nowhere.
As a hub it might be ok but as an origin or destination ?

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RE: Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Fri Dec 14, 2001 4:42 am

Well, Ryanair seems to be pretty satisfied with the development of its Hahn hub and if routes don't work, they simply pull the plug (Kristianstad, Rimini). I am quite surprised about some of the destinations they have chosen (Bournemouth for example), but we shall see. Within the first week after their announcement and without much marketing, they sold 10.000 seats for their new routes.

Actually, in an other interview O'Leary indeed expressed Ryanair's interest in serving MGL once the runway there has been extended to 2.400m (2004 the earliest). However, watch out for LRC, which is the former RAF base Laarbruch north of Duesseldorf, south of Nimwegen and west of the Ruhr valley. It will become ILS operationable in late 2002, has a 2.440 m runway and will offer operating hours from 5-24. Compared with Hahn, in FR's calculation it has in the same catchment area 30 million potential customers (distancewise), compared to 5 million around HHN. And LRC airport claims to be in negotiations with two low-cost airlines......

Sabena 332: Ryanair has offered to operate to DTM, FMO etc. but these airports declined the usual Ryanair demands as reduced handling fees, marketing effort etc. And, by the way, forget it, they will never fly to airports like DUS, STR or FRA, never ever.
 
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RE: Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Fri Dec 14, 2001 4:52 am

domestic servuce from hahn ?

lol! It takes you about 2 hours from Frankfurt city to Hahn - in this time you're already shopping in your target city if you take lufthansa  Smile
 
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RE: Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Fri Dec 14, 2001 4:58 am

Ryanair has lots of plans. Don`t know if I believe them, though. Their "Oslo" airport at Torp is too far from the general public to ever attract a crowd (difficult as it is in the first place, av we`re only close to five million here). Me, I have to spend more than two hours on a bus to get to Torp, which is Ryanairs` "OSL". I rather pay more to avoid a full days`s journey.Their new route from Torp to Frankfurt Hahn ( another "boondogs destination") means they won`t succeed. BA, BU, or SK will be my choice when the "tough get going".

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RE: Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Fri Dec 14, 2001 4:58 am

In February/March 2001 Ryanair intended to buy at least 75% of the shares of Black Forest Airport Lahr. But I don't think Ryanair will start operations from there because the british Wiggins Group is planning a cargo airport and there are many protests in the villages around against a regular service with "big" planes.

You can read an article (in German only - Badische Zeitung):
http://www.badische-zeitung.de/index.php?inhalt=item&p[method]=fullread&p[ivw]=/bzartikel/fullread&p[nav]=226&p[subnav]=227&p[item]=bzartikel&p[id]=L25hY2hyaWNodGVuL2xva2FsZXMvbGFoci8yMDAxLzAyL2xhaC4zNDM5MjQxLmh0bQ==

YP6370  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Fri Dec 14, 2001 5:32 am

Well, Ryanair is not targeting us smart airline shoppers who are able to play around with CRS, know all the pros and cons of flying from FRA to Oslo rather than HHN to Torp. I don't think that they are looking for a high proportion of business travellers either although it is quite surprising how many of them are on their LBC-STN flights for example. It is quite evident whom they are targeting here in Germany: The leisure traveller who does not travel on a package tour, but who is smart enough to book a flight and a car on the net. The non-Spain bound German loves to travel to Ireland (= Shannon), Norway (= Torp). the Provence (= Montpellier), Tuscanny ( = Pisa/Pescara), the Lago di Garda (Bergamo) or Cornwall/Devon (= Bournemouth). As I said, HHN is a nightmare for me as I am a frequent traveller, used to depart from traditional airports. But if I would travel once or twice a year for a long weekend or a short break, why not from HHN if I do not burn my employer's budget or my own FF miles ? Parking is free, check-in is quick and for the fares Ryanair offers, it is well worth the travel. If you look at the numbers they have at HHN, nobody would have ever dreamed that from such a place in the middle of nowhere so many people would choose to fly. It is glaringly obvious that airports like HHN do not work for IT flights as the average IT-traveller wants her DUS or FRA airport. But low-cost schedules is a totally different market.

Of course, domestic services are a different story particularily because of Germany's growing high-speed railway system. Still, HHN airport authority is pressing for a Berlin route. I doubt that it works but we will see.
 
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RE: Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Fri Dec 14, 2001 8:28 am

Well,
I don't know what you all have against Hahn airport... I live in Trier/Germany, by car just some 30 min from Luxembourg and 45 min from Hahn, so of course I welcome any new flight ex HHN rather than ex FRA  Wink/being sarcastic

Best regards,

Tom
 
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RE: Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Fri Dec 14, 2001 8:08 pm

Just for the record, thanks to the unfolding of the "dirty" Lufthansa vs. "good" Ryanair drama, Ryanair has slashed fares from HHN even further and now offers them for half price until the end of the year. Playing around with the CRS resulted in most destinations being availabe for 20 Euro one-way plus tax. e.g. for a roundtrip Hahn-Perpignan 70 Euro -for that money, who cares if HHN is 80kms from FRA - unless you live next to FRA airport.
 
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RE: Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Fri Dec 14, 2001 8:32 pm

Patrick, your request for DUS-FRA doesn't make any sense. First of all, they won't fly into FRA but to HHN. So adding the 60-90 minute bus ride from HHN to FRA to the flight, there would be no time saving at all. (For those not so familiar with the geography, DUS-FRA is about 120 miles, 2 hour car drive) And there isn't much of a local market either, and when the ICE train is finally running on the new high speed line, even less.
So honestly, I don't know why you are posting stuff like this. (Well, I know why, to flame LH again!)

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RE: Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Fri Dec 14, 2001 10:13 pm

YP 6370

Although I strongly condemn the advertising of Ryanair (e.g. selling Hahn as FRA and others) it would have been a nice try to let them use the 3.000 m runway (PCN 105) in Lahr/Black-Forest Airport. They could advertise it as "Strasbourg light" (only 20 km apart) which would not be as misleading as advertising Hahn as FRA and could easily use a 747-400.  Wink/being sarcastic

Furthermore they could have given those airlines flying out of SXB competition, particularly on the SN/DAT-monopoly to BRU.

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RE: Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Sat Dec 15, 2001 2:31 am

Not everyone flying out of Hahn will actually live in Frankfurt. Some people live closer to Hahn than to Frankfurt.
 
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RE: Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Sat Dec 15, 2001 3:44 am

Parra, you can't imagine *how* far away from the next town HHN is situated. There was a topic recently "The Loneliest Flight" - if there will ever be a topic "The Loneliest Airport" my vote will go for HHN. I didn't know there are so uninhabited areas here in Germany! - But, on the other hand, I'm sure there will be many passengers flying on FR out of HHN. I live in a region south of Stuttgart, Schwaben, and we are famous for saving money whereever possible. So I was driving those 200km from STR to HHN, just to take a cheap ticket to PIK, where I took the train to GLA. I know, I spent much more money in petrol and train ticket. But it was such a good feeling when boarding the aircraft, thinking "Hey! That's cheap!"  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Sat Dec 15, 2001 3:52 am


Hehe Ndebele that's a nice story. You actually spend more but felt better cause you thought it was a cheap flight. That's really cool.

Hope FR could come toFKB if they won't consider STR. FKB is not that far away from here. And at least there's the good old Autobahn A8.
 
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RE: Ryanair Plans German Domestic Services

Sat Dec 15, 2001 4:15 am

Just one sidenote: FR has a contract with Hahn Airport which requires them to bring in 1.5 million pax the first year of operation. Somehow they have to get them... I think the first routes will already be dropped in autumn, especially those to Italy and Torp.

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