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United's Widebody Plans.

Thu Jul 29, 1999 7:44 am

I was just wondering if anyone had an inside scope on what United was planning with their widebodies. Currently they operate the Dc-10, 747, 767, and 777. What are their current orders for?
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RE: United's Widebody Plans.

Thu Jul 29, 1999 7:52 am

Off the top of my head: United has orders for 24(?) 777's, 9(?) 747-400's and 4(?) 767-300's. The 767-300's have been and will replace the DC-10's on many routes (some are a two class 251-seat layout).

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RE: United's Widebody Plans.

Thu Jul 29, 1999 7:53 am

All I know is that in the future their entire widebody fleet will consist of:
B747-400
B767-300
B777-200

While their narrowbody fleet will consist of:
A319-100
A320-200
B757-200

 
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RE: United's Widebody Plans.

Thu Jul 29, 1999 8:01 am

Doesn't United also operate 767-200s? Also, what will happen to their 737-300/500s? I heard that they were looking at the 737NG. They do hold options for 153 737s.
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RE: United's Widebody Plans.

Thu Jul 29, 1999 8:25 am

UA operates 19 767-200's which will be staying in the fleet for quite a while. United will not order the NG's, as they have already chosen the Airbus A320/319 to be better suited for the mix of flights that UA has them assigned for. Options shmoptions...

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Replace Old A32S!

Thu Jul 29, 1999 5:14 pm

Hey, I'm pretty sure, UA will replace all these very old A320s and A319s by B737NGs as they offer such a high range, such high comfort and such high cargo capacity. UA's coming home, wow!

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Hehe...nice Udo!

Thu Jul 29, 1999 5:19 pm

Did I detect a 'hint' of sarchasm there?!!!      

see ya UDO

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Well-detected!

Thu Jul 29, 1999 5:24 pm

Hey FLY777UAL,

I think you detected absolutely right. Sometimes IRONY is needed! It sweetens life...

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RE: United's Widebody Plans.

Thu Jul 29, 1999 5:37 pm

Hi United Airlines widebody orders are: 2 747-400, 8 767-300ER, 24 777-200ER.UA canceled orders for seven 747-400s when they ordered 9 more 777-200ERs recently, according to Flight International. As for narrowbody replacement, I think it will wait for awhile, but I think LH and UA may place an order for 733 and 735 replacement at the same time. I wouldn't rule out 737NGs or A318s.
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RE: United's Widebody Plans.

Fri Jul 30, 1999 1:37 am

United has chosen the Airbuses instead of the 737NG. The cabin is 7 inches wider at floor level, and is therefore more comfortable.
 
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RE: United's Widebody Plans.

Fri Jul 30, 1999 2:07 am

Thank you, N777UA! I was about to say, "How can you not rule out NG's when UA has already ordered a boatload of their competition!"

 

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RE: United's Widebody Plans.

Fri Jul 30, 1999 5:31 am

Hi The A319s and A320s are replacing 727-200 and also replacing 737-300 and 737-500 on a lot of routes. They also fly new routes. I think it's a bit hasty to say what will replace 737-300 and 737-500s. ALso, It probably will be tie up wtihLufthansa/Star alliance. I like the A319 and the A320, but don't jump to conclusions of something that's yeaars away.Sincerely THe777Man
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RE: United's Widebody Plans.

Fri Jul 30, 1999 6:49 am

The A319's were also bought to replace the 737-200 aircraft, and eventually when the time comes (in a few years...) the A320 family (excluding the A321) will be replacing the early make 737-300/500 aircraft.

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Udo And FLY777UAL.

Fri Jul 30, 1999 6:58 am

Udo, how much I have missed you. Anyway I didin't say that United was going to order 737NGs I just said that they were looking at them as replacements for their shuttle aircraft. They are also looking at the A320 family obviously. I would find it hard to believe that United would order the 737NG but there have been statements that the 737 is better suited for the shuttle routes than the A320s. This information is from an orders site that is usually quite on the money.
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CX747

Fri Jul 30, 1999 9:23 am

CX747 wrote:
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there have been statements that the 737 is better suited for the shuttle routes than the A320s. -------------------------------
Certainly not the NG's! United and LH (among many other carriers) have found the NG's to be horribly ineffecient on short flights, such as what the United Shuttle would require. On the otherside, though, the NG's are more effecient than the A320 family (in particular the 737-800) on most other types of flights, ie: Transcon.

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RE: CX747

Fri Jul 30, 1999 11:10 pm

Well, only time will tell what they will order. An order for the NG is unlikely but from the sources I mentioned above a possibility for shuttle routes. Do you have a list of the flights that all 737NGs are used on by carriers that operate them. I have a friend who flies 737NGs for CO and they use them on short haul sectors. It just depends on what variant of NG you use.
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RE: United's Widebody Plans.

Sun Aug 01, 1999 12:34 am

Widebodies as in what mission?

I believe the next order round that could be coming from United are to address the DC-10's that will be gradually phased out. The prime candidate planes for replacing these are the Boeing 767-400 and the A330-200.

Now..given the way UAL has been quite pleased with the Airbus narrowbodies I'm wondering if they would be so bold as to go for the A330-200s and quite possibly explore the benefits of it's CCQ capabilities. It could happen.

On the other hand they are very committed to the 767, of course they could opt for the 767-400 as a natural progression. It's a question if UAL sees the existing 767 fleet as sufficient along with the 777, or if it's worth adding a new type to the fleet to cover that "middle area". It would be unique if they go for either type.

I believe they are awaiting the initial reaction and service experience garnered from CO and DL before any sort of commitment to the 767-400 is ever entered into, that's why the orders are so thin for that type at the moment. While at the same time they are most probably getting data on the A330-200s as it now enters it's second year of service. The service results from this type are reported to be quite excellent, with Emirates operating the largest fleet so far. Some anticipate EK to operate a fleet upwards of 30+ A330-200s.

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Nothing Better Then...

Sun Aug 01, 1999 3:51 am


Has I told in another topic, United is slowly knowing the way, now they've already the A319 and A320 and the next step I think ( and most of us think that too! ) is a good replacement for those old B. 767-200, they're almost 20 years old and I think that nothing better to replace them by the new A330-200 with P&W engines!!!
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RE: Nothing Better Then...

Sun Aug 01, 1999 1:28 pm

CV990

The A330-200 would look handsome as ever in their livery and the role it would serve would be perfect. I really wonder if this is the next AI product UAL purchases. They could do it.

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