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How Much Do Pilots Make?

Sat Dec 15, 2001 4:41 pm

Hey guys.

If any of you have an idea of how much pilot make on the following aircraft please post it, also include which airline if possible.

717,727,737,747,757,767,777,DC-10, MD-11, A340.

If you know more please post.

I'll be waiting for your replys.

-Dmitry.
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Sat Dec 15, 2001 4:44 pm

Everything you need is here > www.fltops.com

Captain pay > http://www.fltops.com/captpay.html
 
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Thanks Shawn

Sat Dec 15, 2001 4:50 pm

Hey thanks Shawn.


-Dmitry.
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Sat Dec 15, 2001 4:55 pm

np
 
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AlaskaAir

Sun Dec 16, 2001 8:59 am

Did u get my email? There was an error message when I sent it... just want to double check.


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RE: AlaskaAir

Sun Dec 16, 2001 10:09 am

Too much.
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Sun Dec 16, 2001 10:10 am

A lot less then most people think, how's that, HA
 
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UAL Bagsmasher

Sun Dec 16, 2001 10:14 am

UAL Bagsmasher,

Why don't you post the UAL pilots' pay scale so everyone can see how much - exactly - is "too much"?

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RE: 61Heavy

Sun Dec 16, 2001 10:30 am

LOL I would, except that I'm laid off and no longer privy to any of that information. UA took all of 3 whole days to wipe away all my computer sign ons, etc. They won't even let us check load factors online for the three months that we retain flight bennies. But that's ok. I've still been flying somewhere every two to three days. Might as well milk it for all it's worth now since I'm not going back anytime soon by the looks of it.
 
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AZJ

Sun Dec 16, 2001 11:58 am

I did AZJ. I replyed. Send once more if you didn't receive reply.

dema@cyberlynx.ak.net

Thanks.

-Dmitry.
 
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RE: 61Heavy

Sun Dec 16, 2001 12:25 pm

UAL Bagsmasher,

I'm just curious - when YOU fly (since you fly every 2-3 days) how much are your pilots worth? Obviously, I could also ask how much you think the mechanics and flight attendants and engineers and CSRs are worth, but since this is a thread on pilot pay, we'll stick to that.

Seriously, I'm not beign sarcastic. You stated pilots get paid too much. I'd just like to hear how much YOU think - dollar figures, please - the Captain and the First Officer on your last flight SHOULD have been paid.

Oh, and since you don't know exactly how much the pilots at UAL make I'm also curious how you formed your opinion that they're overpaid.

61Heavy
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Sun Dec 16, 2001 12:49 pm

i guy I knew told me this.. it was few months ago so i dont remember exactly but i think his big dilemna was that he was currently making like $60 an hour to be a MD-11 reserve pilot for Fed Ex but he had an offer to go full time for some airline flying passenger A320's but hed take a pay cut down to like $40 or something, then theres me being payed dirt in the retail market going oooohh only $40/hour, but I guess full time pilots might only fly like 40 hours a month though huh? he ended up being Delta 767 right seat, not sure of the pay and last I heard being layed off and pissed;(
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Sun Dec 16, 2001 1:02 pm

Yes, pay per hour is very high, over $200 for a senior wide body Captain, but only counts towards hours in the air, no pay for being at work and stuck on the ground or other duties. Most airline pilots fly between 70-85 hours a month, by law limited to 100, usually at work for a lot longer then that though. I usually do 220-250 hours per month of "on duty" time. The record for me is just over 300 hours.
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Sun Dec 16, 2001 1:16 pm

To help all you guys put this in perspective I am a junior Beech 1900 first officer and I barely pull out 19,000 a year flying MAXIMUM OVERTIME!!!! Not all pilots are rich. Im still looking at a couple of years until I am eligible for ATP. I fly 6 days a week at all times of the night/day in shitty weather. And I love it!!! So those airline captains who fly twice a month and do pull down 200k per year, are either 59 1/2 years old or chief pilots. NWA only lets captains be senior on the 747-400 for up to 2 years. Then they have to surrender it. So even once you reach the top, there is always a step down waiting for you. I know many Captains who retired on the MD-88 or 727.
 
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FlyDLjets

Sun Dec 16, 2001 2:46 pm

FlyDLjets, I am a future pilot. I will have some questions, please e-mail me at: dema@cyberlynx.ak.net .

Thanks, Dmitry.
 
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CV640

Sun Dec 16, 2001 2:49 pm

CV640, what do you fly, and for who?

If you are a pilot e-mail me at: dema@cyberlynx.ak.net .

I have some questions regarding pilot training I am in.

Thanks,

Dmitry.
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Sun Dec 16, 2001 2:50 pm

I'm not able to verify this number, but I've been told that BA 747 captains make .5 mill a year... Also, in one of my school's carrer websites, it said that the 3rd highest paying job in America was "Airline Pilot".
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Sun Dec 16, 2001 3:15 pm

there was a thing on the local news within the last year about starting pay for pilots at Horizon airlines being like 17k a year or something, at the time Horizon only flew Fokker 28's and a smaller Dash 8
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Sun Dec 16, 2001 3:47 pm

N1641,

That story you were told is complete B.S.
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Sun Dec 16, 2001 4:35 pm

While Horizon pilots DID make pretty low wages as recently as a year ago (not THAT low, but low), they recently ratified a contract that boosted that a bit. Not sure what they make now, but the contract passed so it probably isn't too bad.
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Sun Dec 16, 2001 5:27 pm

I was going to steer clear of this topic, but I cannot resist the temptation to reply to a complete misconception the world has with pilots.

I won't be shy and tell you exacly how much I make... I make $20.35/hr... ooooh!! everyone says. Well, let's clarify. I don't get paid 160 hours a month, like most full time jobs. I get paid our guarentee rate of 75 hours a MONTH. This is what I live off of, because of the events of 9/11 and the downturn in the industry, I'm still on reserve. This means I fly when someone calls in sick, a trip didn't get covered in the bidding period or a crew member is about to time out. I physically fly about 15-20 hours a month. But I am away from base for up to 5 days at a time. Sitting, waiting, resting. So, my paycheck Friday was $530.35. WOW!! A whole $530... x 2 that's a whole $1060!! Net pay. Now, that's making waaaaay tooo much money. I'm so overpaid it's pathetic. And to think that Mesaba doesn't have the worst contract out there is scary.

So, I went to a 4 yr school, have a degree, am struggling to pay my student loans off, am a highly trained professional flying a $30 million dollar jet, training was basically "do or die" as in if I were to screw up, I'd lose my job, my job is on the line every year with a medical examination, my job is on the line every year with an annual proficiency check that includes a thorough oral examination and a 4 hour simulator examination. Your lives are at the mercy of myself and my captain. And I make $1060 net a month. I don't do it for the money that's for sure.

To the "bagsmasher" I supose you're a rampy. I'm willing to almost bet my few pennies that you make more than me. If you want to throw blows, I think the fact that bag slingers make more than pilots is ludicrous! Not that your job is not important, but where do you measure the relativity?

It does get better, but I have paid my dues to get where I am. I know that every other regional pilot feels the same way I do. We are underpaid, overworked and gross unappreciated pilots in the industry.

So... off my soap box (that I can barely afford).

Now, you tell me I'm overpaid.

AZJ
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Sun Dec 16, 2001 5:57 pm

Why is it that there are two vast extremes in pilot pay? Either shit pay or excellent pay. Why can't there be a happy medium. I mean really a person with a 4 year education responsible for the lives of 50 people and a 30 million dollar machine making $1,000 a month is ridiculous. AZJubilee, how do you feel about your fellow colleagues that make three or four times your salary? I know it's not inherently their fault but I know I would be pissed if I were you. The only thing keeping you sane must be your love for aviation.
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Sun Dec 16, 2001 6:15 pm

That is just ridiculous.

Azj, you say you fly the BAE Avro jet? If they pay that low on a Avro, I wonder what the Saab 340 pilots get?

-Dmitry.
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Sun Dec 16, 2001 11:09 pm

A 737 Captain with a British airline can expect around £60,000 P.A.

A 737 F/O would start on around £28,000 depending on experience, rising to around £45,000.

Give it a GO
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Mon Dec 17, 2001 1:10 am

Azjubilee put it perfectly. I flew FO on the Saab last year, lucked out it in that when I got on we were expanding. I made $19.16 per hour, but I was able to survive by flying 95 hours every month. One month when I didn't, I thought I was going to starve, barely able to cover my bills and feed myself, no way I could afford to do anything. Before that I instructed, didn't even make $10,000 that year. The following year I flew feight and corporate so did pretty good, still didn't even come close to hitting $20,000.

When I upgraded I got a nice pay raise, but still really not nearly as much as everyone seems to think I make. I should finish CRJ upgrade training this month, so next year I'll get a nice pay raise again, still not nearly as what must people think I'll do. I was only able to porgress like this cause I got hired whgen a company was growing at the perfect time. Hired a year later and I'd have been furloughed and stuck as an FO making $21 per hour with a 72 hour guarantee upon my return.

As for Horizon, you were wrong about the $17000, first year pay was around $15,500 in their last contract. I know cause I turned down an interview with them upon seeing that, plus they had 4 year upgrades. Under the new contract a first year will make around $18,500 to just shy of $20,000, depending on the amount of overtime they pick up. Don't think their is a big raise in year 2, cause their isn't.

As for what I feel for the majors with their pay. I support it. They have a lot of lives on their hands, they have a lot to worry about. Need to mnake tough decsions, pass checkrides every 6 months, if I fail mine this week I have 1 chance to make it up, flunk that and I'm terminated. With that on my record I'd never be able to get another aviation job. I have my medical every 6 months, actually one tomorrow morning with a Doctor I'm sure AZJ knows about in the MEM area. After being stuck at airports all the time its hard not to eat airport food, really healthy for you too, HA. I have no worries now, but in 20-30 years down the round with doing this all the time I am a little worried.

Well, I guess I over vented, but needed to get a little out. I do love my job and wouldn't trade it, but as I say it doesn't mean I want to work for free any more. I've seen more then a few crews burned out and now hate to fly, never want that to happen.
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Mon Dec 17, 2001 3:46 am

Here is what United pilots currently make. Keep in mind, this is the first year of the new contract, so the rates are due to increase each year until it becomes ammendable in Sept. 2004. The rates per hour are for captains with 12 years of service. I multiplyed the per hour rate by 80 hours to derive the typical monthly pay.

747 $302/hr $24,160/mo $289,920/yr
777 $277/hr $22,160/mo $265,920/yr
767 $232/hr $18,560/mo $222,720/yr
757 $232/hr $18,560/mo $222,720/yr
320 $223/hr $17,840/mo $214,080/yr
737 $199/hr $15,920/mo $191,040/yr



 
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RE: To Muc?

Mon Dec 17, 2001 3:53 am

For those of you who say pilots make to much. Answer just a few questions?

How many $11 million baseball players have 300 people lives in ther hands?

How many $50 millon a year little girl singers are attacked and killed on the job?

How many $60 million a year Corporate Presidents who steal from their employees in Houston, can fly a airplane at 200mph with a engine out into 1mile visual approch and landing?

How many of you outside of the cockpit have ever walked in my shoes, or those of any Pro pilot; to see the amount of training, amount of responsibilty that is carried on the sholders of every pilot, little on up to big?

Heck, I'm one of the lucky ones this year, I keep my job. Oh ya, but a $20,000 pay cut is just great. Any of you who think we as a industry make to much, why don't you go to school, take all the same test, join the AF, USN, get shoot at and then get the high paying airline job. Come on in the water is fine!
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Mon Dec 17, 2001 4:12 am

Wow, people are finally realizing that there is a dispairity in the wages of pilots. Okay, my situation right now is an extreme. However it is a realistic extreme, I as have been living it since June. Once I get a line and can credit 85-90 hours a month, things won't be so bad. But, they need to be better. I started this job at $18.21... back then the monthly net paycheck was $457.57!!! I get a raise in March to $24.40... so that will help too. But again, it still isn't enough and must be better.

AlaskaAirlines: First officers make the same, regardless of equipment type at Mesaba. Back when the Avro carrot was being dangled infront of Mesaba the union felt that it was necessary to concede something, in order to get the Avros. So, they wiped out the entire separate pay scale for a turbojet up to 69 seats. Had that not been done, I'd be making $27/hr right now. But also, we may not have gotten the Avros... so its a gamble either way. They took the avenue of selling ou the FO's and junior people instead. Good to know that the current union leaders aren't of the same opinions.

I don't feel any animocity for the pilots of the majors who make $200K/yr. I think that's great, and I realize that is what I want and I have to follow the long path to get there. I don't expect to walk right in to my first aviation professional flying job at an airline and expect to make six figures. But I would expect some pay that is livable and respectable. I do have a bone to pick though, when they whine and comlain that $200K/hr isn't enough. But, they've earned their keep and ought to be compensated for 20 or 30 + years in service with their company (just like any other company would reward its most senior people).

Traditionally the regional airlines were viewed as unsafe, propeller, fly by night operations that don't care about safety and that it was a job that people were banging down the door to get. However, times have changed. Regional airlines are larger, more sophisticated, fly to airports that aren't regional airports and do the exact same job that the major airlines do. We move people safely and efficiently to and from their destination in a contraption that not many people know how to operate. So, why not pay us more? Well, the companies see the regional airlines as a stepping stone to the majors. So, why should we pay them a lot when theyre just using us to get to Northwest, United or Delta? There is a point there, but it still doesn't justify not paying humanly sane livable wages. Another theory as to why FO's are pays so little: Well, you're gonna upgrade to captain soon anyway, so you can wait for that great pay then? Uh... times have changed and with 9/11 people at the regionals are going to be here a lot longer than pre 9/11. I'm not expecting to upgrade to captain for 2.5 years at a minimum and that was pre 9/11. Without movement from people above me, that isn't going to happen anytime soon. So, their argument will not fly.

Mesabas contract is up in June 2002. They are already in negotiations with the company and hope to be complete in June 2002, when it is up. Everyone realizes that a contract negotiation is going to be hard post 9/11, however the market and airline is totally different now. The company will use 9/11 and the CRJ 440s as a bargaining tool, however things haven't and will not change. Regional pilots deserve better work rules, pay and respect. Nothing can change that.

Done venting now... incidently, we haven't heard from our bagsmasher friend who started this fire in the first place? Where are ya buddy?

AZJ
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Mon Dec 17, 2001 4:30 am

Just a note about the above rates. Those are all maximum at Captains levels.
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Tue Dec 18, 2001 2:41 pm

UAL Pilot Pay Rates:

http://www.geocities.com/airspeed757/

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RE: 61Heavy

Tue Dec 18, 2001 3:18 pm

Out of curiosity, who's webpage is this?
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Tue Dec 18, 2001 3:42 pm

If you're a pilot on a long transoceanic flight, and you're not in the cockpit the whole time (the relief crew takes over), does the number of flight hours still count the entire trip, or only the time you're actually present in the cockpit?
 
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Ryu2

Tue Dec 18, 2001 3:55 pm

Ryu2, I couldn't tell you. Not sure.

-Dmitry.
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Tue Dec 18, 2001 4:10 pm

Great, thanks for the useless reply, Alaskaairlines.

Can someone who actually has this knowledge answer my question?
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Tue Dec 18, 2001 4:16 pm

CALpilot nailed it!
Looks more like this is a "Why don't I earn that kind of money" thread.
As a pax. I care more about that I am in good hands, then complaining about how much the 2 persons upfront earn. The pilots deserve every penny they get. I would not say it is a dangerous job, but the people they work with (pax.) makes the pilots risk there, and alot of other peoples lives.
And what is actually earn to much? You can always earn more then you already do.

Regards!
Stefan
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Tue Dec 18, 2001 4:30 pm

haha, i believe that website is a bullshit.
Most senior captain on 737 makes less than 9 year FO on 747!!

All pilots deserve good pay. Most regionals are way underpayed. There is only one regional that i know if that pays prette good money - ACA.
Anybody know about American Eagle, COex, Comair, ASA, Skywest payscales?
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Tue Dec 18, 2001 5:26 pm

Hey forget the pay.

How about all that glamorous free travel, fancy hotel rooms, delicious free airline food, a snazy uniform, sleeper suites on longhaul flights, duty free liquor, and should I even mention the great SEX.

And to think that I do it for the money.

regards
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Wed Dec 19, 2001 1:00 am

If you're a pilot on a long transoceanic flight, and you're not in the cockpit the whole time (the relief crew takes over), does the number of flight hours still count the entire trip, or only the time you're actually present in the cockpit?

Ryu2: The time of the entire trip, not just cockpit time.

Most senior captain on 737 makes less than 9 year FO on 747!!

Good obervation, PolAir. A lot of 737 Captains were upset to see this when this contract was settled (and I think righfully so). I was told the rates were meant to correlate with "airplane productivity" - i.e., the more money the plane brings in for UA the higher the pilot pay. Personally, I don't agree with that argument and think that a 737 Captain should be paid more than a 400 F/O but I can see the point on both sides. When the Captain on a 747-400 flight is on break there are two typed-rated F/O's up front essentially responsible for the flight.

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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Wed Dec 19, 2001 1:01 am

Your time as an international relief crew is paid and counts towards yoru hours, simply because by law you are a required crewmember and you must be there.

As for the regional pay, they all start at around $19-$22 an hour. Air Whisky pays the most, followed by Comair. That works out to around $18000-$21000 a year, depending on the amount of hours and overtime flown. This is the same for all regionals, except the USAirways exporess ones, they have awesoem work rules, so they usually make around $25000 to $27000 if they are very aggressive with overtime flying.

Also, it is true a senior 747 FO makes more then a 737 Captain. I know of a few 737 FOs at United who after the last contract transfered to the whale for better pay and better schedules.

 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Wed Dec 19, 2001 2:41 am

I am honestly not sure why our salaries are public information. I find it kind of distasteful that people know what I make. That is information that I feel should be private. Ask yourself how you would feel if the local paper published what you make.
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Wed Dec 19, 2001 2:42 am

I am honestly not sure why our salaries are public information. I find it kind of distasteful that people know what I make. That is information that I feel should be private. Ask yourself how you would feel if the local paper published what you make.
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Wed Dec 19, 2001 2:44 am

sorry for the duplicate post.
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Wed Dec 19, 2001 3:03 am

Last year two ACA pilots visited my school ( UND). They were both UND graduates. One started flying for ACA four years ago ( he is 26). He is a captain on CRJ, He admited he makes almost 100K/year.
The other guy works for them 2nd year, and is a junior captain.
 
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Flydeltajets

Wed Dec 19, 2001 4:01 am

Flydeltajets, if you are a pilot please e-mail me at: dema@cyberlynx.ak.net . I have a few questions regarding training.

Talk to you later,
Dmitry Kudryn.
 
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Wed Dec 19, 2001 4:06 am

This is dated and was pulled off the Motley Fool msg board.


Subject: Pilot Pay
Author: cob3898


Earlier Sandman posted an excellent and comprehensive collection of links and notes on Executive Jet. Some of that discussion alluded to the difficulty in attracting and retaining qualified pilots for Executive Jet. There was a question as to why a Captain for Executive Jet earns approx. $58,000 per year compared to a United Captain at $178,000 per year. IMHO, the wide disparity in compensation for pilots is the primary reason for vacancies and high turnover in certain flight operations. Although the scope, size and success of Executive Jet would suggest that their employees would deserve and demand an industry leading salary package, they may not ever approach top airline salaries for very simple reasons. Pilot salaries are largely correlated to where those pilots are along the food chain hierarchy:

-- the size of the equipment flown....(the logic being the more passengers carried, the greater the responsibility, etc)....the most significant factor.

-- longevity within the company which also implies greater experience (greater seniority leads to an an automatic and orderly advancement into larger equipment and seat position)

-- the degree to which organized unions can wrestle away concessions from management during the militant and oftentimes rancorous debate that goes on during contract renewal.

Below I have listed a comparison of selected pilot contract provisions in effect as of April 30, 2000 for 5 major airlines (Continental, Delta, Northwest, United, and US Airways). The data was developed by ALPA ( Airline Pilot's Association) Economic and Financial Analysis and Retirement Departments.

For simplicity, on average, pilots for a major carrier may fly approximately 1000 hours per year....using this figure and multiplying by the hourly rates below will provide a fair estimation of annual salary.

For the young aspiring pilot who decides at some point to take up aviation as a profession, the road is long and costly....and most would consider a shot at United Airlines to be the pinnacle of success with other flying opportunities along the way serving as an apprenticeship to the ultimate goal of working for a major airline.

The young aspiring aviator might first obtain a private pilot's license, maybe work as a crop duster, scratching out odd jobs along the way so as to afford to build flying time needed to qualify for a commercial license.

Perhaps, he/she might work towards an instructor rating, so as to eke out a meager living teaching while allowing the students to pay the expenses. If one still has a burning desire to fly for a living after the many hours of instructing students who are trying to kill you each and every day all the while you are managing to dig yourself deeper into debt, then the next logical step might be air taxi (drunk abusive celebrities with their gal pals), night freight haul (ouch!!, body clock problems again), or corporate flying (jeez, I'm always on call!....Executive Jet, for example).

Still the drudgery and being on call for long hours, along with the major expense of acquiring new ratings, will have invariably taken a serious taken toll on a young family by now. Moreover, it may take a few more years to move into that coveted corporate Captain's job, but meanwhile, the lure and temptation of taking a shot at a high paying major airline job with all of the other attendant benefits is still lurking on the horizon.

And there's still another avenue that might have to be taken to enhance one's qualifications with that major airline....moving on to those low paying regional/commuter entry jobs with long hours approaching FAA monthly minimums, very few days off, but with the kind of jet experience into high density airports that the airlines prefer and actively seek out on a regular basis in a pilot candidate. So, after all of the time building experience and working long hours making $15,000 to $20,000 per year, it is no wonder why many decide to climb the ladder as far and as fast as the competition will permit.

All of this suggests that so long as the attractive compensation packages continue to exist among the major carriers which stand in stark contrast to other flight jobs along the entire food chain, outfits like Executive Jet may continue to suffer high turnover and increasing training costs to seek out new hires. (oh yes, there's that turnover word again)....Ironically, that synergistic effect will be good news for Flight Safety, whose business it is to constantly pump out new candidates to meet the growing need for pilots, whether due to the massive numbers entering retirement, airline expansion, or simply the natural progression of pilot's looking to move on from corporate/commuter jobs to garner a better financial deal and quality of life with a major airline.

So, here's the sweet deal waiting at the end of a long and winding road:


Hourly Pay CAL DAL NW UAL USA
Wide Body 12 year Captain $202 $265 $241 $222 $244
Wide Body 5 year First Officer $115 $160 $143 $136 $144
Large Narrow Body 12 year Captain $172 $198 $188 $182 $185
Large Narrow Body 5 year FO $96 $118 $110 $110 $111
Small Narrow Body 12 year Captain $152 $201 $181 $175 $161
Small Narrow Body 2 year FO $68 $70 $60 $72 $73


Large Body Aircraft would include B777, B767, B747, A330.

Large Narrow Body Aircraft would include B757, MD80.

Small Narrow Body Aircraft would include B737 - 2/3/4/5/6/7/800 series, A319, DC-9.




Membership link.


http://www.jet-jobs.com/publications/member.html
 
cv640
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Wed Dec 19, 2001 4:32 am

PolAir, are you sure about those numbers. From what I've read of ACA's newest contract a 4 year CRJ Captain, highest paid aircraft they operate, gets about $60-$61 an hour. If you go over and multiply that by 1000 hours, the max a pilot can fly under FARs, it comes out to $61,000 a year.

Most pilots don't fly a 1000 hours a year, hard to do with needing to get good schedules every month, plus time you spend in training. Over time usually brings it close to the 1000 hours of pay, but still leaves you well short of the $100,000 you quoted.

A 4 year CRJ Captain would also be realtively junior at ACA, so hard to get good schedules that would allow him to fly so much. He would probably be alternating on having a line or getting reserve, where you don't fly that much, so only get guarantee. Impossible that way to really make any extra cash.

The highest paid CRJ Captains are at Air Wisconsin and they have only a few that could technically make $100,000 a year. That is for those with 20 years with the company and getting great schedules with lots of flying. You would have to make around $90 an hour to hit the mark you qouted.
 
sleekjet
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Wed Dec 19, 2001 7:03 am

OK, a little contrast. I teach in a large,urban middle school. This is my 32nd year. I have a masters degree from SMU. If you add what I make "piloting" my school bus to my teaching salary, it is in excess of 60K. Looks to me like ALL pilots are woefully underpaid.
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PolAir
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Wed Dec 19, 2001 8:29 am

CV640,
it was hard to believe for me too, but that is what he said. Wy would he lie about that?
 
SophieMaltese
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Wed Dec 19, 2001 11:52 am

It varies so much for different kinds of pilots. Did you look at the jetcareers.com website? Also, if I'm not mistaken, when you make captain your salary can just about double. You'll put in a lot of underpaid hours before you get that great job with the healthy salary. Yeah, a job that pays $50/hr sounds good, but you don't get paid a 40 hour week. I think you are usually guaranteed 75 hours a month. And like one of the previous posts said, you only get paid for flight hours, not the multiple ones spent commuting, waiting, etc. Of course, if you pull the power back a little while you're flying you can bump up your pay somewhat...
 
RJ
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RE: How Much Do Pilots Make?

Wed Dec 19, 2001 11:57 pm

O.K.,

Enough of the speculation. If you want the information go to:

http://www.airlinepilots.com/Contracts.htm

The site has the actual contracts for Airborne, Alaska, America West, American, American Eagle, ASA, Comair, Continental, Continental Express, Delta, DHL, Emery, FedEx, Northwest, Skywest, Transtates, United, UPS, and USAirways. You will have to do some searching in each individual contract to find the pay scales. You should also look at areas such as Scheduling, Retirement, and Hours of Service. These areas tell the true story of the quality of life one can expect at each airline.

I hope this helps

Happy flying!!!

RJ

P.S. To Azjubilee and CV640, I feel your pain and have fought the good fight for you guys!