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Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Thu Dec 20, 2001 6:09 pm

Hey guys!!!!!

The B 747 has been a big success for more than 30 years. Boeing is now launching a beefed up B 747-400 called the B 747-400ER (Extended Range) and is prepared to build larger versions of the B 747, if customers indicate that there is a need.....

Yet, there are airlines which are extremely interested in the B 747-400ER, as Boeing has stated sometime ago. It nicely fill up the gap between a B 777-300ER and the A 380. There is a market which requires an aircraft that carries more passengers than the B 777-300ER, but less than the A 380.

Newer versions of the B 747 must be made extremely cost effective, and advance, in order to compete with airliners in the newer generation....

Is there a chance that the B 747 will return to its former glory? That is, a production rate that is as high as in the early 90s.....

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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Thu Dec 20, 2001 10:26 pm

Probably not thanks to Mr Bin Laden and it seems that airlines are looking at the B777s now... spend less on fuel? But who knows in future?

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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Thu Dec 20, 2001 10:51 pm

I don't think the Crisis will last for a very long time...... I am confident that the Economy will improve after sometime........

I strongly believe that Boeing should produce a beefed up B 747-400 which is a lot more cost effective.
 
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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Thu Dec 20, 2001 10:59 pm

If you can fill a 744 its actually more fuel efficient than a 777!
The A380 and the the top-versions of the smaller 773/A346 will limit the future order numbers of the Jumbo Jet, there´s no way out. But they´ll recover from the current slump.
That the 744 order book isn´t too impressive these days is mainly because of most airlines have enough quite new Jumbos flying. Its not like the 777 that had a lot of its recent success because airlines needed to replace all those old DC-10s, Tristars and early 747s. When a major part of the current 744 fleet needs replacement later this decade the sales numbers will increase again and that is the time Boeuing plans to offer a new, "greener" 747-version.
Btw, the 777 program suffered a lot more than the 747 program because of Bin Ladens horrible fireworks. Look at the steep drop in order numbers compared to 2000/2001! The 744 didn´t suffer that much.
 
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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Thu Dec 20, 2001 11:19 pm

Well, a B747 can carry more than a B777 can, and if it can be filled up fully, I think it still brings profit for the airline company even if it burns a lot more fuel but considering it can carry much more. The B747 is the Queen of the Skies and I don't think they will change for sometime to come.

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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Thu Dec 20, 2001 11:44 pm

Remember, the B 747-400 is the ONLY aircraft that has not recieved a single cancellation of order.

 
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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Fri Dec 21, 2001 12:50 am

I think Boeing will sell perhaps 50-100 of them over the next five years, but the 777 and A380 will both take orders away from the 747-400. In other words, I think the 747 program is in late middle-age. It hasn't reached the twilight years yet, but soon.
 
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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Fri Dec 21, 2001 12:51 am

It's my understanding that BA differed 744 orders to 772??  Sad

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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Fri Dec 21, 2001 1:13 am

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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Fri Dec 21, 2001 1:20 am

Former glory? ? Yeah sure

When did the lustre start to fade? Did I miss something?
 
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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Fri Dec 21, 2001 5:22 am

I have to agree, when did the 747 lose its luster? Obviously it is not the only widebody on the block anymore, but its still the "Top Dog". Boeing recently said that they will be producing 747s for 30 years.
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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Fri Dec 21, 2001 11:05 am

Well said CX747! I love the B 747 a lot!!!!!  Smile

Boeing recently said that they will be producing B 747s for at least 30 years. And actually, the Former Vice Chairman of Cathay Pacific, Patrick Tsai, said that the B 747 remain in Cathay's fleet for at least 25 years...... In fact, Cathay Pacific may order new B 747s in the future. Interesting.........  Smile

I hope other airlines like JAL, United, Air Canada, British Airways, Air France, Ansett 2 etc will order the B 747-400ER in the future.....
 
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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Fri Dec 21, 2001 11:31 am

United Airline,

What do you mean that the 747-400 is the only aircraft not to have suffered any cancellations?

Do you mean ever, or in the current year?

Either way you are not correct.

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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Fri Dec 21, 2001 11:33 am

After 9.11......... I mean
 
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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Fri Dec 21, 2001 11:47 am

After 9/11/01, the only confirmed cancellations are:

2 A320
1 A330-200
1 A340-300
1 767-300ER
4 767-400ER

For the year, these models have yet to have any cancellations:

A318
A321
A340-200 (no outstanding orders)
A340-500
A340-600 (Flightlease/Swissair order yet to be confirmed)
737-600
737-800
757-500
all 747
767-200(ER)
all 777

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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Fri Dec 21, 2001 11:48 am

The Boeing 747 is an aviation icon . . . agree with members who feel it has never lost its glory or lustre. So there is no 'former glory' to talk about.

Boeing's plans for the growth versions of the B747 is akin to a roller-coaster ride, or playing peek-a-boo. On the board today, cancelled tomorrow . . . not sure major airlines will take another look at it after all the on-offs by Boeing.

I for one would love to see new and improved versions of the B747 for a very long time to come. It is a great plane! Deserving of the title "Queen of the Skies".

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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Fri Dec 21, 2001 12:49 pm

I am sure orders for the B 747 will rise again in the future...... It is an excellent aircraft.
 
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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Fri Dec 21, 2001 12:58 pm

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Fri Dec 21, 2001 12:58 pm

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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Fri Dec 21, 2001 1:02 pm

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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Fri Dec 21, 2001 1:06 pm

As long as they keep refining the design, there will always be somewhat of a market for the plane. I agree with others that the 773, A346 and the A380 are all eating into its market share, but a substantial portion remains. I think they'll need to work on increasing the range, fuel efficiency, and noise levels, some of which they are now addressing. I just wonder how much fine-tuning they can do before it's necessary to redesign the wing shape and do other major structural adjustments. It would be nice to see it stretched just a little, enough for another 30-50 pax, so it could nip at the bottom end of the A380 market. But maybe in another ten years, Boeing will decide to build the 800 pax BWB and leapfrog the A380 instead, leaving the 747 where it is. So many changing considerations, it's hard to know what the builders will do.
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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Fri Dec 21, 2001 1:34 pm

Really ncie to hear good words of my favourite plane. Thank you.  Smile

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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Fri Dec 21, 2001 5:56 pm

The 747 will live for a long time to come yet!
Eventually it will be good if they do strech it a little more but at the moment I can't really see that happening to this great aircraft. I love the 747 and it is great to see boeing continuing to improve it!  Smile
 
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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Sat Dec 22, 2001 2:40 am

Return...?
I didn't think it ever went away or diminished!

It is a solid, dependable, and well tested workhorse, it isn't going anywhere for a long time...

Look at such beasts as the DC-8 and 727, they may not be in pax service anymore, but they still haul a ton of freight. The future of the 747 may see the decline of its use in pax service (10-25 years down the road), but it will still be a freighter for extra years after that.

We'll be seeing 747s for a long time!

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RE: Will The B 747 Return To Its Former Glory?

Sat Dec 22, 2001 2:59 am

I think the B 747 will remain in service for pax use for a VERY long time to come........