deltaownsall
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Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Thu Dec 27, 2001 3:23 pm

How hard is it to get accepted into Embry Riddle undergrad? For example...what is required for GPA...extra curriculars...SAT scores...et cetera. Should I have some prior flight training before I try to get into the flight school at Embry Riddle? Also...what is Embry Riddle like for those of you who attend? Thanks in advance  Big thumbs up
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SkyGuy11
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Thu Dec 27, 2001 3:51 pm

Hey deltaownsall,
I looked in to going to ERAU when I was deciding what college to attend. I decided against ERAU. It costs nearly $40000/year to attend! I don't want to graduate with that kind of debt. Anyways,
Anything above a 3.1 and you'll be just fine if you have the $$$. SAT I'm not sure but just do your best and let the rest happen. Extra curriculars do what interests you; they all help, but none are needed. No, ERAU doesn't want you to start training before you go there because they train you to fly for an airline from day 1 meaning you'll have to undo all those habbits from previous experience. Basically it's not that hard to get in; the hard part is the $$$. One side note: the school 'guarentees' three flights a week if you want however it is so busy there students are lucky to get in 1 or 2 a week. Also, its not like you can't be an airline pilot (or whatever you want to be) if you don't go there. Plenty of people without ERAU degrees are in the position you want. I'm not anti ERAU, just want to let you know all the stuff they won't tell you in their info packets. Yes it's a good school and yes they'll train you to be what you want to become.
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D-AIGW
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Thu Dec 27, 2001 4:07 pm

Hi all,

I'm going to apply to ERAU as a freshman in the upcoming fall term as well... I'm way too short-sighted to get into their flight school, so I wanna study in their Aerospace Engineering faculty.

Quite a lot of people up here on airliners say that ERAU is a rip-off... and I hear voices on the other side as well.. Does it really cost $40000 a year? I found out from their pamphlets that it's just around $10000 ($20000 max).
 
SkyGuy11
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Thu Dec 27, 2001 4:13 pm

Yeah the schooling costs about $15K to $20K a year but the flying costs an aditional $15K to $20K a year = $30K to $40K a year. Many students train at other on airport flight schools because ERAU's flight training tends to be drawn out longer than necessary. Also, you can't just take the plane up and fly it for a day, it has to be specifically approved before hand and must be a training flight.
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D-AIGW
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Thu Dec 27, 2001 4:27 pm

Skyguy11 - Does it mean that if I ain't taking the flight school, it's just $15k-20k? (I'm going into Aerospace Engineering)

Thanks for the info.
 
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Fri Dec 28, 2001 1:15 am

When I went through Riddle's Aviation Administration program some 20 years ago (now I feel old), the tuition fees were very reasonable. I also remember that those that were in flight school paid a ton more. I would imagine that the same is now true.

The education that Riddle gives you is an excellent one. The people that argue about social life (by the way, mine was great while I was there) have their priorities missplaced. If you want a party school, go somewhere else; if you want an education, go to Riddle.

Tom in NO (at MSY)
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delta-flyer
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Fri Dec 28, 2001 2:04 am

My son, a high school sophomore, is also interested in attending ERAU. After checking their website, I also found the cost to be indeed double if you take flying as part of the program. However, I think ERAU is an excellent choice for non-flying aviation education, since that is their mission. I have two colleagues who are ERAU grads, both very complimentary about the school. Both are now in their early 50's, and they are very competent workers. One is an engineer in our product support department, and is helping operators with problems relating to our products. The other is a very capable sales engineer.

My son and I attended the NBAA show a couple of weeks ago in New Orleans and spoke to an ERAU recruiter at their booth. She said the requirements for admission are...

1. Good grades (did't say specifically what)
2. Good SAT scores (>1150)
3. A CLEAN driving record (if you want to fly) - no speeding or DUI tickets!

Good luck to you all!

Cheers
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Fri Dec 28, 2001 2:14 am

When I graduated, almost 4 years ago, it was no where near $40,000 a year. With flight training it was just under $17000 a year, roughly. That included room and board. Not sure how much it went up since then. As for getting in, its not too tough, depends on the major I guess.
 
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Fri Dec 28, 2001 2:19 am

Anyone got info on scholarships/grants/financial aid by any chance?  Big grin
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Fri Dec 28, 2001 6:26 am

Embry Riddle, if you can pay, you can play. We have a good friend and neighbor whose son attends and it costs a small fortune. There are better and less expensive ways to get a college education and accumulate time. Additionally, how many ER grads get hired by the majors? Do you need to spend $120-160K to get a job with ASA, Mesa, AAEagle, AirWis or Comair at $20K a year when you graduate?
 
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Fri Dec 28, 2001 7:05 am

Quite honestly I don't know where a lot of you are getting the high prices quoted for ERAU. My son is now a senior down there and our costs are nowhere near what some have said. Without flight the per semester costs are $5680(that doesn't include the dorm or meal service ticket as our guy lives off campus-but here we pay for an apartment, lights,phone,food), the dorm is about $1500 per term and they have varying food plans to choose from(depending on how many meals per week you want to pay for). There is a $25 per term charge for having a car registered there. BTW-if you do go there and have a car, don't plan on driving too much on campus, there really aren't enough parking places and the tickets you get can get expensive(we found out the hard way-you do have to pay them or you don't get your grades and credits each term). And there is a $260 per term charge for Mandatory Fees(that covers the Student Government Assoc., Health Services, and Technology Fees). Check a lot of state schools and figure your costs as an out of state student and I think you will find the difference isn't very much. A plus is at most public universities the class size is huge, but at Riddle the class size is much closer to what most of you have had in high school. Personally I think that's good especially if you're having trouble in the subject-that way getting a litle more attention from the professor is easier.

As for getting hired by majors, my husband and I have a friend that does a lot of interviewing for Delta and Riddle on someone's application is a definite plus for the person. Milesrich-you do realize don't you that ASA and Comair are owned by Delta and are working on how to merge the pilots into one seniority list.

Deltaownsall(btw I love your name)-my son got into ERAU with a 3.0, did terrible on his SAT(got just a total of 1000) still got into Riddle and just finished his first half of his senior year with a 3.5 GPA. Your can do it if you want to, they have many,many scholarships offered, they will send you a booklet describing all of them when you are accepted. Good luck in your decisions, let us know what you decide.

PS-If you don't know it Riddle's web address is: (admissions)admit@db.erau.edu or their general web address is- www.db.erau.edu(this site lets you take a virtual tour of the campus plus lots of other things, try it out)
 
N863DA
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Fri Dec 28, 2001 9:03 am

Apart from Skyhawk, I've not seen so much disinformation spread about one school in a long time.

This is my first post in about 200 days, but I just have to say the following:

I'm at ERAU and have never heard such tripe about fees. As written above, (and I'm a Senior as of January) the fees are, granted, more expensive than out-of-state tuition for most state colleges, such as FSU, but the fees are (for me at any rate) $8650/semester.

I don't live on Campus, (you have to, your freshman year) but the room and board is around $1570 TOPS, and slightly higher for apartment-type dorms, available solely for Upper-classman use.

I am not a pilot, ever since they discovered that I can't see thru one eye, (it's always nice to discover you're blind) but the flying is - and this is being realistic - expensive, but there are ways to go off campus, if you choose certain majors other than Aerospace Science (Professional Pilot). There are other majors which allow you the exact same thing as this but just fly off campus - namely Aerospace Studies with an AOC in Airline Flying.

As written above, Riddle does have the advantage of being a small school, with more personal 'service'... and small classes, usually no larger than 40 or 45 kids.

The downside is that Riddle has a lot of people who think - quite literally - that they are God's Gift to Aviation. They walk around all high and mighty - and us mere mortals (namely Business & engineering students) pale in comparison to their greatness. It's not great, but it's a small price to pay. Just don't become one of these bigheaded buttheads!

About driving on campus - you can keep cars, but this is subject to change soon for resident students. However, the college campus is (relatively speaking) very small. It takes only about twenty minutes to walk from the absolute southern end (Lehman Building) to the absolute northern end (Corsair Hall) of the college. You can always use a bike or rollerblades. However, please don't bring any of those damned scooters as we have quite enough of the things.

As to whether airlines take ERAU graduates over those from other colleges... it's subjective and not really scaleable. HOWEVER, do not believe some of the speel that Riddle feeds you about that kinda thing.

A general rule with life aswell as with Riddle is that if it sounds too good to be true (eg - the direct hire scheme that we did have with ASA and now apparently have with ACA) then it probably is. Life never throws you a cookie - just the crumbs. You have to bake your own out of what you have.

http://www.erau.edu

And if Florida's not for you, there's always the desert version in Prescott, AZ.
 
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The Other Embry Riddle....

Fri Dec 28, 2001 9:24 am

I could not afford to attend Prescott or Daytona and do their flying program. Instead, I chose to attend ERAU College of Continuing Education (with satellite campus locations all over the US) and did my flying on my own at a much more reasonable price.

Classes cost about $450 a pop (plus books), and you can transfer your community college credits towards your degree. They also give you credit for all licenses and ratings earned on your degree program. They offer Professional Aeronautics & Aviation Management. I never had more than 8 people in a class and it was great! I did it in San Diego at a local Navy base, as most CCEs are co-located on a military installation. CCE is aimed at active duty personnel who want an degree from ERAU, but it's open to anyone.

While you do not get your ratings and hours at ERAU CCE, I found it to be a cheaper way, by $30K, to an ERAU degree. (And it all looks the same on paper.) You might consider it if finaces are an issue. It is also a much better option for those who are already employed and older than the average college student!  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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A Silimar Debate From Another Forum:

Fri Dec 28, 2001 9:32 am

Here's a link to a similar topic from FlightInfo.com, an (airline) pilot message board you might be interested in-

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=824
 
delta-flyer
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Fri Dec 28, 2001 10:37 am

I'm at ERAU and have never heard such tripe about fees. As written above, (and I'm a Senior as of January) the fees are, granted, more expensive than out-of-state tuition for most state colleges, such as FSU, but the fees are (for me at any rate) $8650/semester.

That's pretty much in line with the ERAU website, and many people do consider it high ...

Straight from http://www.erau.edu/finaid/estimcost.html"
Undergraduate students at Florida and Arizona campuses
Tuition and Fees $15,700
Room and Board $  5,480
Books (estimated) $     800
Total, non-flight students $21,980
Average annual flight costs $  9,185
Total, flight students $ 31,165


OK? $20K+ without flying, $30K+ with flying. whoever wrote $30-40K with flying was not way off the mark.

Cheers,
Pete
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D-AIGW
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Fri Dec 28, 2001 10:58 am

Do you think those guys got some sort of scholarship so they won't have to pay so much?

I've got troubles getting my parents to believe me that ERAU is a good school. Nobody here in Hong Kong has even heard of Embry-Riddle. They're saying that it's better to be in MIT, U of Michigan and so on...
 
SkyGuy11
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Fri Dec 28, 2001 11:09 am

Lets say you go to a state school or a community college and then transfer to a state school for the last two years. Your entire college education will cost anywhere from 15K to 30K. ERAU will cost you $120 to $160 total. Through their curriculium, you will graduate with 190 hours, but lets say you somehow did some extra flying on the side to make it 250 at graduation. If you were to spend the money you save by not going there, this would equate to about 1000 hours if the plane and instructor cost about 130 per hour (a resonable price to plan on). This is a huge difference, and airlines just want to see that you have a college degree, not that it was from such and such school. If I had the money I would go there, however, because I think they are very goal oriented and provide the kind of education I want. I just posted this to show a contrast.
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Fri Dec 28, 2001 11:23 am

D-AIGW, if you can get into MIT or U Michigan by all means, do it! These insitutions are known world wide for a very good reason. By the same token, Riddle seems to be well respected in the aviation world. As far as fees go, I found the cost caomparable to being an out of state flight student at Purdue (which I am).

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deltaownsall
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Fri Dec 28, 2001 12:26 pm

Thanks for the help everyone  Big thumbs up Would it be better to go to a regular college and go to Comair flight school after? What's the social life like at Embry for those of you who go there?
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Fri Dec 28, 2001 3:25 pm

When I read your post, I remembered saying almost the exact same thing in a forum on PPRUNE... E-mail me... FlightSimAlex@aol.com. Thanks.
 
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Fri Dec 28, 2001 11:11 pm

Ok I graduated in 90. It was a good deal then and I think if I had a kid looking at schools right now I would still consider it a good deal. I did a quick cost search:

Riddle $21,900yr
Purdue $22,132yr
FL Inst Tech $24,050
UND ~$10,000 Yes it is a bargin, but Daytona vs Grand Forks, no contest in my world.

These are all with out flight costs. Most of these schools have similar flight costs.

And one more MIT $37,460
 
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Fri Dec 28, 2001 11:12 pm

Schools are just buisnesses. As long as you can pay the bill they will accept you.
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skyhawk
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Sat Dec 29, 2001 2:11 am

N863DA-I do hope that your words meant that my information was correct and not that they were "tripe"(to use your word). The numbers that I wrote came from the tuition bill we received for our son and the description of fees came from the catalogue itself. The cost of the dorm was admittedly a guess based on the old catalogue we have here at home. Yes you are right on the size of the campus, it is small. What I was trying to say was that if you take a car down to DAB, don't plan on driving around campus-as you know there aren't many places that studnts can park without getting a ticket. Anyway, best of luck next term and in your future endevors.
 
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Sat Dec 29, 2001 6:40 am

"As for getting hired by majors, my husband and I have a friend that does a lot of interviewing for Delta and Riddle on someone's application is a definite plus for the person."

Skyhawk...you are a very nice lady and I like reading your posts. I have seen you mention that ERAU gives a person an "edge" at the major airline level. Your Delta friend may feel that way...or he may have told you that since your son attends ERAU. In my experience nothing could be further from the truth.

A degree is a degree is a degree. It needs to say 4-year on it so you can check the box. We have ERAU grads and local state U grads at my company. We have aviation majors, psych majors, geography majors, history majors, and a lot of other majors. All have got where they are in aviation because they worked their butts off to get there.

I have let your pro-Riddle comments go in the past but this is a pretty popular thread and hate to see mis-information. I'm sure you and I can just agree to disagree on this one point. My opinion is based on 12 years as a major airline pilot and talking to the many new hires I run into.

I graduated from Riddle in 82, started at Prescott and finished through the international campus program someone else mentioned. It's a good school, but not worth the money in my opinion. If you have a hard on to go there, then knock yourself out. Just don't believe everything you read at airliners or at the Riddle web site.
 
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Sat Dec 29, 2001 6:56 am

De727ups-let's get one thing perfectly clear, I am a lady and truly don't appreciate your comments made concerning a "hard on". As far as my information is concerned, it comes from not only having friends in certain places, but over 20 years in the business on my part and almost 30 years on my husbands part. Oh yes, like you he too is a Riddle graduate, l974 Daytona Beach. As far as your "letting" my pro-Riddle comments go, I don't need yours or anyone elses permission to tout the school. It is an institution in the aviation industry and I dare say will continue to be so. Not to say that there aren't other excellent schools around that have very good aviation programs, they are out there and they too will continue, we need all of them. The basis of this discussion was from a kid that is simply trying to gather information on where all of "us" thinks he should try. In reality he probably should try Purdue, Michigan, UND, amongst others.

One thing we do agree on is the fact that no matter where you decide to go, you have to work very hard, get very good grades, and then hope you get noticed in the initial interview. Nobody is going to hand anything to you, you must work for it.
 
delta-flyer
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Sat Dec 29, 2001 7:34 am

As far as ERAU not "worth the money", any private school will cost that much. If a person can't afford it, there is still the possibility of financial aid, and, failing that, there is always a public general-purpose university in your state. But I think that for a student wishing to pursue an aviation career, who can afford ERAU, it is an excellent choice.

For someone who wishes to pursue a career in engineering, even in the aeronautical field, who can get into a top-notch engineering school, then I would say that would be better.

Cheers
Pete
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Sat Dec 29, 2001 3:14 pm

there are always these posts that come on about flight schools. You will always have 1/2 support ERAU and the other 1/2 bash it, it truly does get sickening because each person has their own specific curcumstances.
I am a frshamn in the B.S. Aviation Biz program and based on the contacts i have already established in the industry and the feedback about ERAU i get from them ( top officials from TPA, MCO, SFB,DAB,FAMA and Airtran just to name a few) leads me to confidently believe that i made the right choice and that i am getting my moneys worth at ERAU. I ahve head simmilar comments about the Aerospace Engineering progrma as well. However Aero Sci can have its exceptions, yes it is expsnsive, and yes it is competitive. I do not recomend the ERAU Aero sci program to anyone who hasnt started flying yet ( you can still fly via flight ops area of concentration in the Biz major). So Please for once lets at least squabble over different flight schools and realize that what is best for one is not always best for the other.
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skyhawk
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Sun Dec 30, 2001 12:31 am

RL757PVD-I think what you said is just perfect. Thanks for prevailing with a cooler head. Some like Riddle and some don't, that's OK, everybody has the right to think and say how they feel, just don't infringe on someone else's territory. Again, thanks for the cool head.
 
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Sun Dec 30, 2001 3:37 am

I wanted to go to ERAU, but then I noticed the cost. I thought about UND. I'm still a freshman, but I'm still deciding.

Continental
 
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Sun Dec 30, 2001 1:17 pm

My advice if you want to be an airline pilot....

Get a four year, non-aviation degree, from a state college or university in a subject you enjoy other than aviation. You will learn all you need to know about aviation by working your way up in the industry and the airline training you get along the way. It's nice to be educated in something other than aviation for the lean times and as a potential second job....I have time for one. If you just don't "get into" anything else other than aviation...then do yourself a favor and check out Metro State in Denver. They will save you big bucks over Riddle and the education is on par.

My qualifications for giving this advice include being a Riddle grad, started flying in 1978, over 8000 hours of flight time, and a UPS B727 crewmember since 1990.

 
N863DA
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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Mon Dec 31, 2001 9:20 am

Skyhawk:

To confirm what you thought, I was saying that I agreed with you and not with anyone else who had posted before.... I was not doubting your comments.

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RE: Getting Accepted Into Embry Riddle

Mon Dec 31, 2001 12:11 pm

N863DA-Thanks so much for the reply and your supportive answer. BTW-Happy New Year to all here and please don't drink and drive. I'd like to be able to talk to all of you in the new year.

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