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Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Sat Dec 29, 2001 3:34 am

Hi
Has anybody timetable news for Summer 02 in Zurich?
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Sat Dec 29, 2001 4:09 am

Crossair will keep all of Swissair's trans-Atlantic destinations, and Edelweiss will begin new service to Miami, Orlando, Calgary, and Vancouver.
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Sat Dec 29, 2001 6:33 am

The summer timetable is not known yet. It's still too far away.

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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Sat Dec 29, 2001 8:00 am

Hi Gerardo
I know it is a little bit too early, but one can hear so much rumours:
-Easyjet to GVA,NCE and AMS
-JAL 5x weekly Tokyo MD-11 from April 02
-RAM 2x weekly 734 Casablanca
-Transcend Executive 712 LON
-Ryanair
etc.
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Sat Dec 29, 2001 11:34 am

MAS will suspend its 4 times weekly B777 services to Zurich in the summer. If I am not mistaken, MAS is the only B777 service provider ar Zurich.
 
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Sat Dec 29, 2001 6:05 pm

Delta will not be reinstating its JFK-ZRH flight on Mar 15 2002 as originally planned (probably 'cause AA is already in there)
 
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Mon Jan 07, 2002 7:39 pm

MAS is comming back but nomore with 772. 774 ie.

3 times a week with 744. KUL-ZRH-FCO-ZRH-KUL
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Mon Jan 07, 2002 8:42 pm

Swissgabe, are you sure with your informations about MAS at ZRH? Where did you see that?

In my opinion, this is a bit weird to replace the B772 with an even bigger B744, if the loads are really a problem on the KUL-ZRH leg. How much pax would MAS need on the ZRH-FCO leg to justify such a flight?

Anyway, as a spotter - on the other hand - this gives me the chance to take pics of a new airliner/livery.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

As for Ryanair to ZRH: I doubt it, given that Ryanair operates smaller airports and not hubs. ZRH isn't really very good for low fare airlines, Easyjet beeing perhaps an exception, as they are very good established in Switzerland. VEX on the other hand has already cut one of their 3-daily BRU-ZRH flights. GO was also only 6 months in ZRH.

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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Mon Jan 07, 2002 9:44 pm

Hello

Crossair will bring two additional flights daily between BSL and ZRH. That makes it five daily flights in each direction.

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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Mon Jan 07, 2002 9:58 pm

Gerado, the summer timetable is not yet known, but Crossair has already stated it's intent to keep all ten trans-Atlantic destinations.
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Mon Jan 07, 2002 10:01 pm

How long is that BSL and ZRH flight....its gotta be quite quick really.
 
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Mon Jan 07, 2002 10:10 pm

I flew this route a few times this year. Flying time is about 15 minutes from BSL to ZRH +about 20 minutes taxiing.  Smile
From ZRH to BSL it usually takes a little bit longer because the planes usually approach runway 16 in BSL which is in the opposite direction of Zurich.

It's quite a nice flight tough.
Hope this helps,
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Mon Jan 07, 2002 10:23 pm

Crossair are dropping a number of SR transatlantics.

ATL is one.
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Mon Jan 07, 2002 10:23 pm

Thanx RJ100.

As for the current situation at ZRH, it could almost be called a secondary airport. It has lost alot of pax and as such could see Ryanair service soon. But the last i heard was that Ryanair were planning on using BSL as ZRH West or something like that. It just doesnt seem to be Ryanair's strategy to be convienient, just cheap.

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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Mon Jan 07, 2002 10:34 pm

YEP! I herad the same rumour about Ryanair starting services to BSL.

As for the traffic at ZRH: does anybody have some actual numbers regarding number of pax and movements? I read, that ZRH was heavily affected by 9-11 and above all by the SR grounding.

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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Mon Jan 07, 2002 10:51 pm

Yes, Ryanair intends to fly to Switzerland. It just depends if Basel airport is going to lower landing taxes enough (BTW they are lower than in ZRH). There are also several small airports in Southern Germany (close to Switzerland) that want to see Ryanair, such as Lahr airport or Karlsruhe.

I wouldn't mind to see Ryanair here in BSL. On routes such as the London route we need some more competition.

Gerardo, I don't have actual numbers for ZRH. Try to find the "Statistisches Amt des Kantons Zürich" on the web if they have a webpage. The "Statistisches Amt des Kantons Basel-Stadt" has listed all traffic figures for BSL.

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Bestwestern

Mon Jan 07, 2002 10:53 pm

Yes, but ATL was pre 9-11.

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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Mon Jan 07, 2002 11:07 pm

As a non UK carrier, Ryanair cannot fly from London to a Swiss Airport. They can, however, fly to Basle, using its french designation.
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Mon Jan 07, 2002 11:13 pm

What about the bilateral agreements between the European Union and Switzerland? Is this scenario not included?


BTW, funny things happen here in BSL. Khalifa Airways (Algeria) was not allowed to fly to Basel-Mulhouse (MLH) because Air Algérie also flies to MLH. Now Khalifa flies to Basel-Mulhouse (BSL) with Swiss traffic rights. But it's the same airport!

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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Mon Jan 07, 2002 11:14 pm

Bestwestern

Indeed - that's why we have the Swiss offspring of easyjet UK.
 
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Mon Jan 07, 2002 11:35 pm

RJ100: Thanks for the tip. I found the site, they have very interesting things, but nothing about the actual data  Sad

Bestwestern: Why can't Ryanair fly to ZRH? Other british airlines can fly to ZRH, as for example Go and Flightline. Confused

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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Mon Jan 07, 2002 11:52 pm

Ryanair is not a British Airline. Therefore it is not allowed to fly from a UK airport to a non European Union airport.

A similar example is Buzz (KLMuk). They were not permitted to fly from Stansted to Warsaw by the polish authorities, as they are a dutch owned company.

The only airline with traffic rights from Stansted to Zurich is GO. UK carriers have to apply to the UK and Swiss CAA for traffic rights to Switzerland. There was a big arguement between EasyJet and Go at the time. The hearing notes are available here:

http://www.atol.org.uk/airlinelic/pdf_files/ald9902.pdf

GO only flew to Zurich for six months, ending the service, because of a far superior financial deal available at Naples.

Indeed Zurich has seen many airlines stop flying there over the last number of years.

From the UK alone:

Aer Lingus daily ex DUB
Swissair daily to STN
GO daily to STN
CityFlyer x3 daily to LGW (and onwards to DUB)
BMI x3 daily to LHR

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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Tue Jan 08, 2002 3:21 am

Hello,
Hello,

ZRH is also gaining a number of flight. Think about TAM and Korean.

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From the UK alone:

Aer Lingus daily ex DUB
Swissair daily to STN
GO daily to STN
CityFlyer x3 daily to LGW (and onwards to DUB)
BMI x3 daily to LHR


----------------------------------------------------

Bestwestern, just have to slip in one thing. As you obviously know, DUB is in Ireland and not in the UK. You could say that ZRH lost EI ex MAN (but that was 2-3 years before the ZRH flight ended)

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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Tue Jan 08, 2002 3:34 am

JAL is coming again in April 02 with 5 weekly MD-11 flights. They will eventually offering a daily MD-11 flight from July 02 (ZRH-NRT).
Don't forget the small carrier like Balkan Airl., Albanian Airlines and Air Alps who has recently started operations to Zurich. Easyjet and Metropolis are planning to start (more) operations to ZRH.
For sure Zurich lost a lot of traffic with the SR demise, but it is still a very interesting destination for other carriers. I expect more foreign carriers in ZRH for the near future.
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Tue Jan 08, 2002 4:01 pm

For those, who didn't see it the other topic:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/698132/

*****

Zurich - Wednesday service suspended from February 28, 2002. From March 31, 2002 onwards, it will be upgraded to a B747, still serving 3 times weekly on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday.

These flights will be loaded into the MAS's CRS for booking from January 15, 2002 onwards.

On a side note, MAS is also waiting for traffic rights from the Italian Government to offer passengers travel solely on the Zurich-Rome v.v sectors from March 1, 2002. The Swiss government had already granted MAS fifth freedom rights at Zurich after signing the liberal civil aviation agreement with the Malaysian Government last year.


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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Tue Jan 08, 2002 4:12 pm

BTW, the quoted text is all about MAS. Forgot to mention it ....

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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Tue Jan 08, 2002 4:47 pm

Ciao Gerardo,
Don't ask me the reason why they put the 744 iso 772 into ZRH (with FCO). I don't know. But with 772 you have in Y Class with 4 flts less seats (231x4=924) than with Y Class in a 744 on 3 flts (3x318=954). Of course this 954 will be sold from two stations, means iso 924 only 477 seats. If they would have put 772 this would be only around 347 seats. This might be the difference.

It was already expected in Malaysian Newspaper long time ago about this deal.

Btw, the 744 was already in ZRH before 1997 and from time to time MAS used it also into ZRH during F1 GP in Sepang.

I don't want to miss to mention that the last weeks where from time to time 2 (two) MAS 772 visiting ZRH at same time. The normal MH9/10 plus MH14/15 because of a strike at FCO so they came for catering to ZRH on the KUL outbound leg.
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Tue Jan 08, 2002 5:09 pm

I know, that MAS operated B744 some years back. Unfortunately I started aircraft photography a bit later. That's why I'm happy to get a new aircraft to ZRH  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Tue Jan 08, 2002 6:38 pm

JT, Sorry about putting DUB into the UK. I should know better!

Forgot about EI's MAN - ZRH service. That was operated by CityJet for 12 months as well.

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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Tue Jan 08, 2002 8:55 pm

Does anyone know what the figures for pax in ZRH and BRU are? they must be hard hit....

thanx

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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Tue Jan 08, 2002 9:02 pm

Pax figures for BRU are 8% lower than previous year, as stated on Belgian TV today.
 
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Tue Jan 08, 2002 9:32 pm

For ZRH, the pax number went down some 15-20% after Oct-2001. But I don't have the exact data, almost impossible to find unless, ZRH officials would finally publish some data.

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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Tue Jan 08, 2002 9:35 pm

One new airliner at ZRH will also be the Korean A332, which will start flying to ZRH later this year.

Can't wait to se that one ....

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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Tue Jan 08, 2002 9:44 pm

How sure is the Transcent Executive rumour?

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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Tue Jan 08, 2002 10:02 pm

BRU Airport data is freely available from ACI-Europe.org

This link is the latest data:

http://www.aci-europe.org/Information/Publications/Communique/En/Html/Article.cfm?ArticleID=426


October 2001

BRU - 20.5%

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What About SFO

Wed Jan 09, 2002 12:37 am

I have been out of the loop for the last 6 months (student exchange in Luebeck) Can anyone tell me what the status of the San FRancisco flight is? It is certainly not being operayed right now as it was the flight I wanted to come back on.
 
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Wed Jan 09, 2002 12:42 am

SR doesn't fly to SFO anymore. They stopped in October, if I remember right.

I often had freight booked on this flight but now I'm getting the goods via SR 117 from LAX.

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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Wed Jan 09, 2002 2:20 am

What about Hemus Air? They used the Tu-154 and the Tu-134 in the summer every year.
 
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Wed Jan 09, 2002 3:27 am

Great to see the MAS 744 in ZRH. Its always good to have some 747 here. I am also interested to hear something about Transcend Executive.
Other news for the summer: Condor via FRA to Alaska,
Aegean/Cronus on Saturdays to Heraklion...I hope we will see Aebal 717's in the future here.
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Wed Jan 09, 2002 3:50 pm

Do you have more infos about the Condor flight (aircraft, weekday, arrival and departure time, ...)?

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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Wed Jan 09, 2002 5:58 pm

I have heard that they will deploy an 763 on the route, but I do not know anything about the day and the time.
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RE: Condor

Wed Jan 09, 2002 8:09 pm

I know I saw the press release somewhere but cannot seem to find it again... but I remember that Condor will fly to Alaska 3x a week, I think it was Tues., Thurs., Sat.

1x / week: FRA-YXY-ANC-FRA
1x / week: FRA-YXY-FAI-FRA
1x / week: FRA-ZRH-ANC-ZRH-FRA

 
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RE: Condor

Thu Jan 10, 2002 12:19 am

Condor will operate 2 weekly flights to Zurich this coming summer. One to ANC from May to Sept (Saturday, dep. ZRH at 1310 local time) and the other one is ZRH-Mombasa-ZRH on Tuesday.
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Thu Jan 10, 2002 2:18 am

Ahhhhh! Very nice! This summer is getting better and better.

Does anybody else here take pictures at ZRH?

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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Thu Jan 10, 2002 3:32 am

Yes I am taking pictures at ZRH.
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Thu Jan 10, 2002 6:07 am

Perhaps we will see us taking pics of the aircraft mentioned in this topic  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Sat Jan 12, 2002 3:20 am

Cyprus Airways has announced 2 additional weekly flights for the summer timetable. Helios is also coming back and Eurocypria will operate 1 flight on Saturday into ZRH.
 
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Wed Jan 23, 2002 9:29 am

From Sept.02 Air Malta will offer 6 weekly flights to Zurich. Sadly it seems that TAM says goodbye to ZRH, perhaps Varig will come back...
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Wed Jan 23, 2002 8:22 pm

JAL intends to operate as follows into ZRH:

March - 5 weekly
April to June - 2 weekly
July - 5 (or 4) weekly
August to October - daily

I think until end of June its with M11 and after they use 744...
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RE: Summer 02 News For Zrh?

Fri Jan 25, 2002 2:58 am

MNG Airlines from Turkey will also provide 2 weekly flights (ZRH-Antalya) with its A300...