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U.S Immigration At Shannon

Sun Dec 30, 2001 10:05 pm

How many airlines carry out their passengers U.S immigration checking at Shannon, Royal Jordainan do, and PIA did till 2000, any others? I think it makes sense, should other airlines also be required to do this Confused
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RE: U.S Immigration At Shannon

Sun Dec 30, 2001 10:56 pm

Why should it make sense to require airlines to stop at Shannon, Ireland to do the US immigration there?
I think the 2 mentioned are only stoping there because of the lack of range of their aircrafts.
Immigration should be done at the final destination (read U.S.).
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RE: U.S Immigration At Shannon

Sun Dec 30, 2001 11:41 pm

I belive all passengers on flights from Shannon to the USA are pre-cleared by US immigration in Shannon. This has nothing to do with the airlines. US immigration has their own facilities and immigration agents in Shannon. It's sort of like when passengers travel from the Canada to the USA. The difference is that passengers from Shannon have to clear customs in the USA. Also passengers from Aruba are pre-cleared by US immigration in Aruba before flying to the USA.
 
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RE: U.S Immigration At Shannon

Sun Dec 30, 2001 11:45 pm

We have this facility in Dublin as well. If you are traveling from Dublin to the USA you clear immigration at Dublin airport. However if your flight routes via Shannon you clear immigration at Shannon Airport. It is a very good service as you save a lot of time at the other side.
 
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RE: U.S Immigration At Shannon

Mon Dec 31, 2001 1:03 am

Does Shannon also have US customs? That is, all pax arrive as domestic in the US rather than going through the international arrival process?

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RE: U.S Immigration At Shannon

Mon Dec 31, 2001 2:26 am

This is how it works:

At check in you are given your immigration documents (as opposed to onboard the aircraft like when you arrive in the US from LHR for example).

Before you arrive at the gate you go through what is called pre-inspection. Your documents are checked, stamped and you are sent through to the gate.

On arrival you wait on no immigration lines. You simply follow the directions of the ground staff to the baggage area. This is still the international arrivals baggage.

You claim your baggage.

You proceed to a customs agent, hand him/her your docs, they say bye bye and you are in the USA.

I have spoken with an INS agent about this and he has told me that in countries where there is a low risk of people claiming asylum and seeking refugee status they conduct pre-inspection to sort the flights on arrival in the US. Whether or not this is true I do not know. It certainly is not done to save time on the other side. The US Government could certainly care less about how much time they waste of ours!!!!!!

Hope this helps.

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RE: U.S Immigration At Shannon

Mon Dec 31, 2001 2:35 am

>>>I have spoken with an INS agent about this and he has told me that in countries where there is a low
risk of people claiming asylum and seeking refugee status they conduct pre-inspection to sort the
flights on arrival in the US. Whether or not this is true I do not know.

I always understood it to be the opposite: they check would-be immigrants from countries which more refugees/asylum seekers are expected from; reason: they want these people not even set foot on US soil, because if they do, even before they passed immigration, they can seek asylum.
The UK used to do that in Prague but stopped after massive local protests.

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RE: U.S Immigration At Shannon

Mon Dec 31, 2001 3:12 am

The US wanted to do this at LHR as well. In the end they could not do it as there was no room at LHR for all the facilities.
 
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RE: U.S Immigration At Shannon

Mon Dec 31, 2001 4:43 am

The only countries where US Immigration does pre-clearance of passengers before they travel to the USA are Ireland, Aruba, Bermuda, Canada, and Bahamas.
 
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RE: U.S Immigration At Shannon

Mon Dec 31, 2001 4:48 am

As far as I know, when Air Malta was flying to the USA with leased ATA aircraft and stopping over at Shannon, they used to clear immigration there.
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RE: U.S Immigration At Shannon

Mon Dec 31, 2001 5:13 am

PIA used 747s on the route and their stint at Shannon which was only because they claimed it was the cheapest airport to operate out of in Europe and had no curfew timings and the added advantage of the U.S immigration facility, lasted a brief one year 1999-2000, previously PIA routed their U.S flights via Paris, Amsterdam and Frankfurt not all three at the same time just one stop on each flight e.g KHI-CDG-JFK Smile

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RE: U.S Immigration At Shannon

Mon Dec 31, 2001 7:37 am

Yeah NAS has an INS and Customs station at the airport. This also allows flights from the Bahamas to many different cities in the US and not all with extensive international arrival facilities like PBI, etc...

I think the INS and Customs officers are US citizens who live in these countries for like a stint and then move back to the US.
 
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RE: U.S Immigration At Shannon

Mon Dec 31, 2001 9:06 am

I was on Royal Jordanian Airlines from Amman, JORDAN to New York JFK on October 26, actually stops in Shannon, and I was only destined for JFK. So I wouldnt worry about that. But when I was on a JFK-AMM flight on RJ, yes we had several American/US Passports passengers getting off RJ @ Shannon airport. That's a Airbus 310-300 both ways.

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RE: U.S Immigration At Shannon

Mon Dec 31, 2001 11:49 pm

I think once LHR's Terminal 5 construction is underway, the airport authorities should seriously consider putting in USA Federal Inspection Service facilities at LHR. The reason is simple: this will speed up things on the US side, especially since a large fraction of LHR's international traffic is to the USA.
 
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RE: U.S Immigration At Shannon

Tue Jan 01, 2002 12:12 am

You still have to do a pre clearence check at Prague for all flights to the UK.

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