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Is Delta Express Retiring Their Planes?

Sun Dec 30, 2001 11:19 pm

I saw the pictures below on this site and I was wondering if these planes were being retired or just taken out of service for the moment. It sure would be stupid to retire planes that they just spent thousands on to paint in new colors!


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DLX737200
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RE: Is Delta Express Retiring Their Planes?

Sun Dec 30, 2001 11:43 pm

FINE. DONT HELP. I DONT CARE!!!!!!!!!  Pissed  Crying
 
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RE: Is Delta Express Retiring Their Planes?

Sun Dec 30, 2001 11:55 pm

Don't you think that 24 min's is a little short of a time to wait before you start YELLING at people?

I, sure will not be giving you a answer to your question.
 
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RE: Is Delta Express Retiring Their Planes?

Mon Dec 31, 2001 12:02 am

Most are just temporarily in storage because of the economic crisis.
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DLX737200
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RE: Is Delta Express Retiring Their Planes?

Mon Dec 31, 2001 1:23 am

I was just kidding!  Wow!
 
MD88Captain
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RE: Is Delta Express Retiring Their Planes?

Mon Dec 31, 2001 1:29 am

Kidding doesn't come accross well on message boards.
 
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RE: Is Delta Express Retiring Their Planes?

Mon Dec 31, 2001 2:36 am

To answer your question with the facts, it depends. Mostly on when the Florida travel market rises again. If it takes several years, they may never come back and they will either be replaced with 73Gs or DLX might go down the tubes with airlines like AirTran, American Trans Air, JetBlue, Southwest, and Spirit easily taking its place. If the travel market comes back next year or in early 2003, they would probably come back from storage to fly until they are replaced by the 73G.
 
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RE: Is Delta Express Retiring Their Planes?

Mon Dec 31, 2001 3:37 am

Fact is that by contract only 737-200's and 737-700's can be used on DAL Express. The DAL 737G's are slated to be taken out of service because DAL is unhappy with them. DAL's 737-200's have another 20 years of service life and will continue with Express for a very long time.
 
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RE: Is Delta Express Retiring Their Planes?

Mon Dec 31, 2001 5:05 am

>>Fact is that by contract only 737-200's and 737-700's can be used on DAL Express. The DAL 737G's are slated to be taken out of service because DAL is unhappy with them. DAL's 737-200's have another 20 years of service life and will continue with Express for a very long time.<<

When did DL get 73Gs(737-700)? I thought that they only had the 738, 732, and 733.
 
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RE: Is Delta Express Retiring Their Planes?

Mon Dec 31, 2001 5:17 am

>>another 20 years of service life<<
I really doubt that. Have a look at the second-hand market. Even 737"Classics" become available for really cheap. I know those DL 732's are hush-kitted and meet stage 3. But Ceilidh will tell you about stage 4 coming soon...
 
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RE: Is Delta Express Retiring Their Planes?

Mon Dec 31, 2001 7:22 am

20 years is a bit optimistic for them being in service with DL, that would put them in the 30-40 yrs age range by then!
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Md88captain

Mon Dec 31, 2001 7:38 am

Why is Delta unhappy with the 737-700? Is it because the engines are very expensive to upkeep with short, frequent cycles?
 
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RE: Is Delta Express Retiring Their Planes?

Mon Dec 31, 2001 8:01 am

Detla doesn't have any 737-700s, and therefore cannot be unhappy with them. The "737G's" that MD88Captain is refering to are 737-300s. Delta has 737-300s that were acquired when they bought Western, some second hand ex-Western Pacific planes, and another bunch of 737-300s that were bought second hand from I believe a Germain charter company (Germania maybe, I don't know). Inside Delta they are refered to 737Gs "G" for German and there is around 9 of them in service. They have proved to be more maintenance dependant and not as reliable as the 737-300s acquired from Western and Delta has been planning on getting rid of them for a while now.
 
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RE: Is Delta Express Retiring Their Planes?

Mon Dec 31, 2001 8:16 am

The 737Gs are not the 737-6,7,8, & 9 series. They are a glass cockpit 737-300. DAL has both 737-300 and 737-300G series aircraft. The 737-300 aircraft came from Western Airlines and fly out of SLC. The 737-300G came from a few different sources and fly out of ATL. The 737G's have not performed well and have been maintenance intensive. DAL has stated their intention to stop flying this small category soon (9 aircraft?).

I believe the confusion comes from calling the new series 737-6,7,8,9 the 737G. At DAL that designation belongs to the glass cockpit 737-300. And I believe Boeing calls that aircraft the 737-300G as well.

DAL Express flys only 737-200's. They are the very newest of the 737-200 series and are very young. They are flying very few cycles on DAL Express long legs and DAL says it expects to be able to fly them 20 more years. Yes, that would have them retired in their mid 30's. Just about where DAL's 727's, L10's, and DC-9s retired at. And the 727's and DC-9's are flying and will keep flying with other carriers.

The Pilot's contract states that only 737-200's and 737-700's can be used at express pay rates. Other aircraft can be used on express routes but only at mainline payrates and workrules.

 
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RE: Is Delta Express Retiring Their Planes?

Mon Dec 31, 2001 8:23 am

A couple of other bits about DAL express. The stage lengths are not "short and frequent" as Lahaina mentioned. Instead the average stage length averages 800nm. Quite different than what many think.

Also we are being told that demand is picking up more quickly for DAL express than the rest of the airline and that it is presently about 70% of pre-9/11 levels. DAL originally cut Express by 50%.

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RE: Is Delta Express Retiring Their Planes?

Mon Dec 31, 2001 9:04 pm

MD88Captain: I understand now. I thought 737G=73G. 73G is the designation several airlines give the 737-700(Continental, Alaska, etc.) because 737 is just the general term for, well, a 737. The letter 'G' probably comes(although I bet I'm way off) from the 7th letter of the alphabet to replace the number 7.