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PIA Is Buying 777

Wed Jan 02, 2002 9:01 am

Yes, PIA are buying the 777. Some reliable sources suggest that the 4 777's are current in Boeing's paint shop being painted in the PIA color scheme.

Expect a pic soon !

More news to follow
 
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RE: PIA Is Buying 777

Wed Jan 02, 2002 9:06 am

Old News:

Pakistan plans to buy four Boeing 777-200ER costing between $160.5 to $182.0 million per plane, depending on configuration, and will pay over $700 million. The Boeing is suffering from recession in airline industry and layed off tens of thousands of workers. Pakistan is losing $2 billion in trade due to war in Afghanistan. US has to give Pakistan more trade concession so that we can export our products and buy US products.
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KARACHI, Oct 23 (Reuters) - State-run Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) said on Tuesday it was holding talks with the U.S. Ex-Im Bank to buy four new Boeing (NYSE:BA - news) 777 passenger aircraft.


``We have proposed to buy four Boeing 777 aircraft and the proposal is being processed by Ex-Im Bank,'' Imran Gardezi, the airline's general manager for media affairs, told Reuters from Islamabad.

Gardezi said the management had decided in August to buy new aircraft ``as and when the balance sheet will be clean'' but after getting positive signals from the finance ministry on support from the U.S. Bank, PIA had accelerated aircraft buying plans.

``This proposal was given to us by the Finance Ministry, and after initial talks with Ex-Im Bank, the airline's chief operating officer submitted the proposal to the bank last weekend,'' he added.

Pakistan has become eligible for finance from the U.S. Ex-Im Bank after Washington in September lifted sanctions imposed for Islamabad's 1998 nuclear weapons tests.

Gardezi said PIA would seek bank loans to finance the purchase, after getting clearance from Ex-Im Bank, which he expected in November or December.

PIA currently operates an ageing fleet which includes five Boeing 747-300s, three Boeing 747-200s, seven Boeing 737-300s, nine Airbus [ARBU.UL] A300-B4s, six Airbus A310-300s and 11 Fokker F27s.

Gardezi said the decision to purchase new aircraft was taken to upgrade the ageing fleet and that the Boeing 777 met PIA requirements.

``It (Boeing 777) is considered to be the latest and most fuel efficient ... The decision is to equip the airline with state-of-the-art aircraft,'' he added.

The airline lost 2.3 billion rupees ($35.9 million) in the first six months of the current calendar year and its accumulated losses stand at 11 billion rupees.

The carrier lost 3.3 billion rupees in 2000 and has heavy liabilities estimated to be worth at least 24 billion rupees.

The airline struck a deal in July with a consortium of five local banks for bridge financing worth 4.73 billion rupees under six-month terms of two percent above the central bank's discount rate, which currently stands at 10 percent.

PIA, Pakistan's dominant airline, has 22,000 employees and is slated for privatisation in the next 18 months.

The airline said earlier this month that in the wake of the deadly September 11 suicide attacks on the United States, PIA had cut 15 percent of its flights but marked a 30 percent growth in cargo traffic after foreign carriers suspended Pakistan operations.

PIA shares on the main Karachi Stock Exchange gained 10 paisas on Tuesday to close at 3.55 rupees.
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RE: PIA Is Buying 777

Wed Jan 02, 2002 1:33 pm

This isnt *buying* in the strictest sens of the word!

The 4 777's are part of the ransom money of $30bn that was promised to the Pakistan Govt.
 
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RE: PIA Is Buying 777

Wed Jan 02, 2002 2:00 pm

Indianguy, this is the civil avaition forum. India & Pakistan both receive $B in aid from the West. nuf said.

Pakistan was instrumental in helping the US in the war. It's own natural that loan guarantees or other forms of assistance are available. PIA is in a good posn to strike a good deal for these 4 772's. This will establish the 772 as the flagship aircraft in the PIA fleet and indeed the fleet will likely grow to 10+ in the next 5 years or so as the 742/743 fleet is replaced.

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RE: PIA Is Buying 777

Wed Jan 02, 2002 3:43 pm

Once again.....not till i see those 777's or a picture of them in PIA colours will i give the topic of "PIA and 777's" further thought.
 
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RE: PIA Is Buying 777

Wed Jan 02, 2002 4:01 pm

UAL747

US$2 billion in trade? That is almost 25% of their exports. Where did you get that figure from, as 25% is equivalent to the percentage of their exports which goes to America.

Or are you talking about the Afghan heroin and hash which goes thru Pakistan on its way to markets overseas.
 
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RE: PIA Is Buying 777

Wed Jan 02, 2002 8:00 pm

Still no mention of the deal in the leading local papers Confused

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RE: PIA Is Buying 777

Wed Jan 02, 2002 10:56 pm

YYZ717: I Know that dear.

BTW, The topic was about 777's.
 
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RE: PIA Is Buying 777

Thu Jan 03, 2002 2:27 am

I would love to see the 777 (my favorite plane) in the PIA colors. But just two questions, 1. When might these planes be in service? and 2. Does anyone think that PIA will use the new 777 for the Toronto route?

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RE: PIA Is Buying 777

Thu Jan 03, 2002 2:38 am

If PK get the 777s you can be assured of seeing the type serve Toronto the 747s are too big for the route Smile
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RE: PIA Is Buying 777

Sun Jan 06, 2002 3:07 am

Anymore news about when these planes might be flying for Pia?
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RE: PIA Is Buying 777

Sun Jan 06, 2002 4:00 am

I thought PIA had 8 742's still in service. 2 bought new (w GE engines), 2 ex-TAP, 4 ex-CP Air. The above news release said only 3. What happened to the other 5 742's? Scrapped? Removed from service?

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RE: PIA Is Buying 777

Sun Jan 06, 2002 4:28 am

Yes, your right.

PIA have 8 742's of these 6 are in operation. The other two 742's are currently parked at Karachi Airport. They are reported to have corrosion on tail end, which do not make them airworthy (AP-BCL and AP-BCN)

The 6 742's currently in operation are:

Boeing 747-240 BM GE engines
AP-BAT (22yrs)
AP-BAK (23yrs)

Still very much an integral part of the fleet. Used mainly for flights to JFK, MAN and DXB.

Boeing 747-217 B
AP-BCO (28yrs)
AP-BCM (29yrs)

Used for flights to Pearson, Manchester and LHR.

Boeing 747-282 B
AP-AYV (28yrs)
AP-AYW (27yrs)

Boeing 747-282 B just commenced operations again, recently, for domestic flights (KHI-ISB) .Most probably going to be used for the Haj operation as well.

As you can see, PIA have an ageing fleet which lingers them till date. Only with the acquisition of new economical aircraft can PIA revamp its sagging image. PIA have the capacity, they can fill the seats. It is the problem of the shortage of planes which lets them down. Which is why, they have to turn to there old 747's to meet those extra loads/traffic.

 
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RE: PIA Is Buying 777

Sun Jan 06, 2002 4:29 am

The other 742s were probably salvaged for spares.

Will they use the 772s on their LHR route?
 
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RE: PIA Is Buying 777

Sun Jan 06, 2002 4:38 am

Most certainly B747-4U3, the other two 742's are salvaged for spares.


They are up on the BOEING website for sale. Doubt anyone will buy them though.
 
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RE: PIA Is Buying 777

Sun Jan 06, 2002 4:47 am

Thanks for the answer GF-A330.

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