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Any Chance For The 717 In Africa?

Wed Jan 02, 2002 10:32 am

Africa was not a very good place for MDC with its DC-9/MD-80/90 series in the past. Will the 717 have a better chance there?
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RE: Any Chance For The 717 In Africa?

Wed Jan 02, 2002 10:40 am

I don´t think any airline in Africa will buy the 717, if its
not leased to competitive price. Russian/Ukrainan brands still have a big market share in Africa, SAA
is not content with their 737 and trying to down size,
but I don´t think they will go for the 717....
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RE: Any Chance For The 717 In Africa?

Wed Jan 02, 2002 2:51 pm

I don't think the 717 has a good chance on the EARTH, much less Africa.

I am a huge 717 fan, and am distressed at American's decision to can TWA's 717-231s. That makes me dissappointed. BUT- maybe they will go to MidEX, and then we will have something to talk about...

But seriously, Boeing has orders for 110 of them, and 30 of them are being returned over the next year due to the agreement. That's... 27% of all 717s ordered being returned. What are they going to do with them? Give them away free? Start "Boeing 717 Airlines"??? There's an idea... they could replace Legend airlines here at Dallas...

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RE: Any Chance For The 717 In Africa?

Wed Jan 02, 2002 8:09 pm

African airlines need the most fuel efficient aircraft possible to protect themselves against dollar fluctuations. Ask any South African how little their currency is worth compared to 12 months ago.

On short sectors where the 717 operates I can see more Turbo-props, such as the Dash-8, ATR and D328 in the African markets. These are far more fuel efficient than even the 717, have lower capacities, and are cheaper to purchase and operate.

On longer sectors the 727 and 732 will reign. Any replacement will cost way too much.
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RE: Any Chance For The 717 In Africa?

Wed Jan 02, 2002 8:24 pm

Dear Bestwestern!
Countries like Nigeria produce their fuel, but of course
fuel cost is important. Leasing price is also important,
also paid in Greenbucks....
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RE: Any Chance For The 717 In Africa?

Wed Jan 02, 2002 10:48 pm

forgot to mention that IATA has highlighted Nigeria as a country that will see major aviation growth in the next ten years.
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RE: Any Chance For The 717 In Africa?

Wed Jan 02, 2002 11:53 pm

Alessandro - Nigeria produces crude oil but has no refineries. There have been severe jet fuel and petrol shortages recently, which have resulted in the cancellation of many flights.

International flights get priority on the fuel that is available.
 
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RE: Any Chance For The 717 In Africa?

Thu Jan 03, 2002 3:02 am

Dear Ceilidh!
They have refiniries but non work? Heard that the petrol/diesel prize has hiked 18-35% to 0,23US$ a liter.
Source: www.allafrica.com

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RE: Any Chance For The 717 In Africa?

Thu Jan 03, 2002 3:08 am

I have an article from flightinternationl dating summer 01, that Intensive Air of South Africa is interested in the 717. They were in talks with Boeing...but since then I've never heard something about.
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RE: Any Chance For The 717 In Africa?

Thu Jan 03, 2002 4:23 am

absolutely not
none
 
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RE: Any Chance For The 717 In Africa?

Thu Jan 03, 2002 4:43 am

Bestwestern

Yep our currency has gone to the dogs. When I went to the UK in August 2001 it was R13 to the pound. Today it's almost R18. Too hectic.

I think if Sun Air was still around, they would have got 717's.


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Otherwise, I don't think the 717 will ever come to Africa, at least for a long time. I think if you're lucky, you might find some airlines in North Africa (Nouvelair Tunisie) getting a few.

SAA I think are going to end up keeping their 737's. I doubt they'd go for the A320 family or the 717.

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Alessandro

Thu Jan 03, 2002 4:49 am

Can you please elaborate on why SAA isn't happy with their B737s???
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RE: Any Chance For The 717 In Africa?

Thu Jan 03, 2002 5:29 am

Novelair Tunesia for sure not, they are building up an A320 fleet since sometime.

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Flying-tiger

Thu Jan 03, 2002 5:58 am

Oh OK i didn't realise they were getting A320's. I've seen them with an MD-80 so that's what I based my opinion on.
thanks for clearing that up.

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RE: Alessandro

Thu Jan 03, 2002 6:14 am

Check out http://allafrica.com/stories/20011190139.html
and they seem to make money in Nigeria.
http://allafrica.com/stories/200111300529.html
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