jocke08
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Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Thu Jan 03, 2002 9:54 pm

Hi, I will later this year fly to Sydney from Europe in Business Class. On the way TO Sydney I will stop in the "stop-over-city" for a few days. Which airline should I choose considering service in business class, and also the city that I will stay for a few days on the way over etc...

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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Thu Jan 03, 2002 10:15 pm

BA, SQ, EK. Any of those are good.
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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Thu Jan 03, 2002 10:16 pm

I recommend either CX, BA or SQ.

For SQ take a flight to Copenhagen (I assume you are starting from Stockholm so CPH is the nearest) then take a flight to Singapore and Sydney. You will get the new B772ER on the CPH-SIN leg with AVOD and the seats are "Ultimo Plus" Seats. From SIN-SYD you will get a B747-400, the standard long haul aircraft with "Ultimo" Seats. The ordinary one has a 52" seat pitch and the plus, I think the pitch is around 55". Be Careful on the SIN-SYD leg because they sometimes deploy an old aircraft on 1 of the 3 flights on that route. (Old means the ones with No Ultimo Seats, regs are: 9V-SMA, 9V-SMB, 9V-SMC, 9V-SMD, 9V-SME, 9V-SMF, 9V-SMG, and 9V-SMH. From what I've heard, theh old seats are quite bad.)

For CX take a flight to London or closer destinations from Stockhom. You will get the B747-400 from LHR-HKG and either the B744 or the A333 on the HKG-SYD leg. I'm not a CX expert so I don't now what they have. If you are lucky, you will get a plane with the new J class. But that is quite unlikely.

For BA, hop on a flight to London. Your plane will be a B747-400 on both legs from LHR-SIN and SIN-SYD. You will get flat J class seats. The most unique thing about them is that some of them face backwords.

You might give Swissair a try on the ZRH-BKK-SIN route.
 
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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Thu Jan 03, 2002 10:18 pm

Forgot To add, I've heard that EK's F and J class are not as good as other carriers'. If you are a real cheapy, take EK bacause I think It is the cheapest of the four.
 
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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Thu Jan 03, 2002 10:26 pm

Singapore Airlines are Australia's most frequent visitor.
In addition, why not take advantage of Singapore Airlines' Singapore Splendour offer. You can stop over in Singapore for $1 a day.

Singapore Airlines offers a luxurious business class product called Raffles Class. The seat has a 52" seat pitch which is one of the largest in the sky and according to trip reports are very very comfortable, and are even more comfortable than certain airline's fully flat 180 degree beds.

In addition, you will be able to experience WiseMen, which is an Audio and Video On Demand service which lets you play, pause, fast-forward and rewind any movie or audio offering, of which there are many.

Also experience World Gourmet Cuisine with 9 signiture dishes from world-renowned chefs, including Australia's very own Gordon Ramsey. Dishes include Famous Singapore chiken rice and Chinese braised duck with yam rice.

Finally, experience the thing SIA is most world-renowned for, in-flight service even other airlines talk about.



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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Thu Jan 03, 2002 10:37 pm

Getting a little off topic here but..........

Hong Kong-Theres not really much stuff to do here except Shopping. Theres a ton of nightlife. Since shopping is not my cup of tea, I don't really recommend it. But however, I do like their Space Museum and Victoria Hill. In my opinion, too 'modern' city.

Singapore-I'm getting a little baised here Big grin Theres some stuff to do like going to Sentosa, the Zoo, the Night Safari, and stuff like that. It's nightlife is quite good, but not as good as HK. There is more culture than HK.
 
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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Thu Jan 03, 2002 10:39 pm

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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Fri Jan 04, 2002 12:06 am

Well, depends. Which aircraft do you want to take or stopover? SQ offers B744 and B772ER (refer to 9V-SVE's post). I would recommend CX, SQ, EK, QF, BA.

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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Fri Jan 04, 2002 1:08 am

You might try Austrian/Lauda. Vienna is an easy transfer point and the Lauda flight stops at Kuala Lumpur, a very nice city for a stopover.
Though I never tried the Amadeus Class on Lauda's 777, I heard the seats are very comfortable and Lauda is known for their very good meal service (they advertised once with chefs on board).
 
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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Fri Jan 04, 2002 2:44 am

BA or Qantas
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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Fri Jan 04, 2002 3:41 am

If you want a stop-over in Kuala Lumpur, take either Malaysia Airlines or Lauda Air. You can get really cheap stuff in Kuala Lumpur such as DVDs and CDs, though most of them are pirated! Plus you get cheap accommodation as well! 100 AUD could get you somewhere really nice!
 
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BA Or QF

Fri Jan 04, 2002 3:47 am

Hi

If it was me and I wanted to have a stop on the way. I would fly BA or QF. BA business class is better than QF, but the QF crew and food are much better. With
British Airways/Qantas you can normaly stop any were that the 2 airlines connect. So you could have a stop
at SIN,BKK,DPS,HKG,NRT,JNB,BOM,HNL,LAX and more.

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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Fri Jan 04, 2002 4:10 am

I would recommend Kuala Lumpur as a stopover city as it offers variety, good food and cheap prices. Malaysia Airlines offers passengers a free side-trip to any Malaysian resort/city or Singapore as well if you travel long-haul with them.

With MAS code-sharing with KLM out of Scandinavia - you also have the option of flying on KLMs 747-400 Combis or MAS 777s. Alternatively, Lauda Air also code-shares out of Vienna and if you travel with an MAS flight code - you may be eligible for that free side-trip in addition to KL as a stopover.

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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Fri Jan 04, 2002 6:45 am

SQ,EK,CX or OS(NG)
 
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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Fri Jan 04, 2002 6:52 am

I would vote for Austrian/Lauda. Inflight service out of this world, a stop in KUL which is an interesting city. I cannot recommend them more highly.

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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Fri Jan 04, 2002 8:08 am

The best route for you to take and with very good prices would be with Olympic Airways.
Fly down to Athens and catch the direct flight to Sydney on the Airbus A340-300.


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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Fri Jan 04, 2002 8:13 am

I thought BA/Qantas/CX code shared to Sydney, if thats the case then all you have to do is find a reason not to fly SQ!

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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Fri Jan 04, 2002 10:03 am

I would try MH/SQ

MH has some stopover packages, as does SQ for USD 1. But you gotta read the fine print. KUL and SIN make for interesting stopovers.

BA's flat bed would be my next choice too, but (I don't know if this applies for tickets ex Europe) from Malaysia, they have a 450 USD "flat bed" surcharge they apply to C class tickets. So it would end up costing quite a fair bit more to fly BA. On this you could stop at SIN also since BA doesn't fly to KUL anymore.

You would end up flying 744's all the way, which ever airline you chose.



 
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Theres Also Garuda

Fri Jan 04, 2002 11:09 am

No one seems to mention Garuda Indonesie ?
 
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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Fri Jan 04, 2002 2:38 pm

perhaps there is a good reason for that Parisien?
 
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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Fri Jan 04, 2002 3:15 pm

kroean Air All the way!! The best way to fly!!

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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Fri Jan 04, 2002 8:11 pm

Hello,
In this circumstance, I would NOT recommend flying Qantas.
If you would insist on Qantas, I would strongly urge you to take Qantas on the shorter route. Qantas business class will be below your expectations, and with little of the aircrafts done with the new PTV's, I say your chances are slight if not zero.

Take Singapore Airlines - Now more than ever a great way to fly!

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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Fri Jan 04, 2002 8:36 pm

If you fly CX, getting a 333 aircraft (NB - NOT 330 aircraft) will get you NEW business class.

From a lot of trip reports, the SQ Ultimo seats are NOT comfortable, I've read more unfavourable reports than not.

Also beware that SQ has some B777-300 flights from SIN-SYD and these do not have the Ultimo seats apparently (could be a good thing)  Smile

QF business is not a great product, BA is far superior, even SQ is better. The seat is QF's biggest let-down, and on a 23 hour flight, that must be a factor.

You could try JL. Their business class is supposed to be alright. ANA is also worth a try, though it has less room than all of the competitors.

NG (OS) has a good business class, they're worth a try as well.
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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Fri Jan 04, 2002 9:42 pm

Lauda Air?
Malaysia Airlines?
Thai Airways?
 
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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Fri Jan 04, 2002 9:59 pm

I heard that the Ultimo is quite Comfy. The people who said it include B-HXB who is doesn't really like SQ. I think the biggest let down is it's seat pitch, only 52" compared to airlines like Delta which have 60"
 
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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Fri Jan 04, 2002 10:20 pm

I reccommend Garuda Indonesia. You can stop off at CGK.

I flew Garuda last year and I thought they were fairly good. They give a lot more leg room than most European airlines.

You will get to fly on their 747-400s and A330-300s.
 
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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Fri Jan 04, 2002 11:03 pm

Garuda flies to SYD nonstop from either CGK or DPS (using A330-300); to AMS direct from CGK via SIN; to FRA nonstop from SIN and to LGW direct via FRA. The flight to Europe is using B747-400 (sometimes B747-200). I have not tried the Executive Class, but from the looks of it (and my experience in the Economy Class), I think it's should be great.

You can have a stopover in Bali or Jakarta. I think Bali is quite well-known as a tourist destination, so I don't have to elaborate more. The only thing about stopping over in Bali is that you have to fly to Jakarta first to get the flight to Europe.

Jakarta, on the other hand, is not a well-known tourist destination such as Singapore, Hong Kong or Bangkok. However, there is still a lot of things to see and do. Being my hometown, it's quite unfortunate to see that the local government doesn't do much to promote Jakarta as tourist destination. For example, getting information about tourist attraction is not as easy as in Singapore or Bangkok with a lot of free brochures in the airport. But the local taxi drivers will provide you with the needed information.

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RE: Europe-Sydney, Which Airline?

Fri Jan 04, 2002 11:28 pm

I would definately recommend JAL for this. First, you get to stop in Tokyo, which is an amazing city. Second, the JAL service is top notch. But you can see by my moniker that I am slightly biased....