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EWR-HNL

Fri Jan 04, 2002 3:55 am

When did Continental begin flying this route nonstop, and how has it performed. Do they make money off of this route or was it just implemented to award frequent fliers. Was it always flown with the DC-10 before it was recently replaced by the 764? Thanks for any input.
 
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RE: EWR-HNL

Fri Jan 04, 2002 9:01 am

Anybody?
 
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RE: EWR-HNL

Fri Jan 04, 2002 9:13 am

Im guessing they are making money on this route, it was always a dc-10 they might of flown the 747 they had there, but i dont know about that.. majority of the time it was a dc-10
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RE: EWR-HNL

Fri Jan 04, 2002 9:35 am

The fact that it's still operating on a full schedule indicates the flight has a positive impact on CAL's bottom line, whether as a direct result of the flight itself or the connecting passengers it provides to the Micronesian system.

It was launched in '98 ( I think) and was a Dc-10 until they were phased out in favor of the 767-400s.

A little piece of trivia for ya,

Did you know United operated a daily nonstop EWR-HNL 747 flight back in the Eighties, and that CAL operated a thrice weekly nonstop DC-10 flight from JFK-HNL (which continued on to Sydney) in the late Eighties. The Flight operated from the old Eastern Airlines terminal.
Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
 
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RE: EWR-HNL

Fri Jan 04, 2002 10:23 am

The JFK and EWR-HNL flights back in the 80s used to be very popular, especially the JFK flight. Believe it or not, a surprisingly high percentage of the JFK passengers were only making an intermediate stop at HNL- most continued with the aircraft to SYD as it offered the chance to avoid LAX/SFO, and actually saved passengers an hour or two in total. I believe at one point, in our advertising programs, we billed it as "The fastest way from NY to Australia" or something to that effect.

EWR handled more leisure traffic, but again, quite a few people took advantage of our services to SYD/MEL/AKL/BNE and connected in Honolulu.
 
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RE: EWR-HNL

Fri Jan 04, 2002 12:10 pm

Isn't that ironic that Continental operated that flight out of JFK while United operated it out of EWR. How things have changed in this industry.
 
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RE: EWR-HNL

Fri Jan 04, 2002 12:40 pm

Continental launched the present EWR-HNL service in 1998 with a DC10-30. It has proven to be extremely popular and not a OnePass (Frequent Flyer reward vehicle). The flight is often booked solid and is unique in that it is the only other nonstop from the East Coast of the US to Hawaii (Delta had an Atlanta-Honolulu nonstop but now operates it ATL-LAX-HNL with a 764). Continental retired its DC10 fleet following 9/11 and now flies the route with a 767-400.

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RE: EWR-HNL (ContinentalEWR?)

Fri Jan 04, 2002 1:16 pm

I'm just curious as to whether there have been any AWABS restrictions with this route since the 764 took over. I'd have to think that when headwinds are strong and the plane is packed, it might have some difficulty without dropping cargo/luggage on the west bound leg. I gues there have been no problems thus far. Just seems like on some days the ole 764 will really have to stretch her legs.
 
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RE: EWR-HNL

Fri Jan 04, 2002 1:34 pm

I fly this route quite regularly.We are always full and are able to carry between 20-40,000 lbs of cargo depending on flight time.

That varies between 10-11 hours depending on winds.This is now a 764 seven days a week.
We never leave luggage behind and are still able to
arrive with 2hrs+ of fuel.

It is close to the limits of the aircraft but it does it very well and burns roughly HALF what a DC10 did.Its an outstanding aircraft.
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RE: EWR-HNL

Sat Jan 05, 2002 12:41 am

Are you a pilot Max Q?
 
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RE: EWR-HNL

Sat Jan 05, 2002 1:17 am

That is incredible that the 767-400 burns half the fuel of the DC-10 on the EWR-HNL route.......absolutely amazing.....reducing that much cost on a route must be a money maker for the carriers.........

Wonder if there is a comparison regarding the 747-100 and 200 vs. the 747-400 and 777 of today
 
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RE: EWR-HNL

Sat Jan 05, 2002 1:29 am

I highly doubt that the 764 burns half the fuel the DC-10 did on that route. I know the 764 is much more fuel efficient, but let's be reasonable here--half? No way.
 
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RE: EWR-HNL

Sat Jan 05, 2002 2:43 am

Maybe CO resumed EWR-HNL in 1998, but they certainly flew it before that, in the late 80s or early 90s. I'm guessing just with the DC-10.
 
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RE: EWR-HNL

Sat Jan 05, 2002 1:44 pm

You'd be surprised what advances in tecnology can do for performance 762er, I'll get some more precise fuel numbers of the next flight plan I use on these flights for comparison, but for now here's some rough figures.

Flight 14, last time I operated as First Officer Hnl-Ewr.
Take off weight 432000lbs, flt time appx 8hrs, departed with 116000lbs fuel arrived with 26000lbs burn off 90000
lbs.

The last time I operated Rio-Ewr on the -400 I compared
fuel burns with the 10 that we deadheaded back on there was an 80000lb difference.

Consider that you have a two engine aircraft that weighs far less, Max GTOW 450000lbs versus 572000
that was designed with fuel economy in mind and it starts to make sense.

On the 10 they were lucky to get the total fuel flow down to 15000 lbs per hour towards the end of the flight
when they were light, the most we burn is 12000 lbs per hour and its usually closer to 10000. While half is a bit much 40% is realistic and thats pretty impressive.
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RE: EWR-HNL

Sat Jan 05, 2002 2:05 pm

Hi Max Q. Did you used to fly the DC-10 before you became a 764 FO? I frequented the EWR-HNL route and IAH-HNL on the DC-10 and I wonder if I might have met you.
 
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Hey STT757!

Sun Jan 06, 2002 8:15 am

You're right about CO JFK-HNL-- looks like they started it in 1986 or '87 and then shifted to EWR; EWR-HNL discontinued in 1988. But I sure can't find any UA EWR-HNL nonstops; when do you think that was?
 
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RE: EWR-HNL

Sun Jan 06, 2002 2:40 pm

I flew JFK-HNL in Bizz. class back in 1986. It was one of the best flights I have ever flown. Great service. Ex-Garuda DC-10. We departed from the Eastern Terminal at JFK and the next thing I knew I was smelling plumerias and feeling that warm rush of Hawaiian tradewinds thru the now open cabin door. No feeling like that!
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Sun Jan 06, 2002 3:54 pm

My bit of mindless trivia:
United flew (as did I) JFK-HNL nonstop with DC8-62's in the very early 1970's.
Route then switched to a 747-122 JFK-ORD-HNL.
 
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RE: EWR-HNL

Sun Jan 06, 2002 4:19 pm

Air Canada has flown a daily YYZ-HNL 763 for about 10 years (started with Canadian).

Ironically, until CO restarted EWR-HNL, only YYZ and ATL had n/stop to HNL.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: EWR-HNL

Sun Jan 06, 2002 4:20 pm

...from the east coast that is.
I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.