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Faster Of 2 Planes Flying Same Route

Sun Jan 06, 2002 8:07 am

can anyone tell me a route where 2 diffrent carriers fly diffrent aircraft on the same route and leave one after the other or near anough the same time i think it happes whith bmi330 and aa767 on the manchester chicago route so dose the second aircraft to leave on any route ever the first to arive.
 
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RE: Faster Of 2 Planes Flying Same Route

Sun Jan 06, 2002 8:21 am

American Airlines flight 907 leaves Miami for Sao Paulo at 0745 while TAM flight 8091 leaves Miami, also for Sao Paulo, 15 minutes later. The TAM flight arrives in GRU 18 minutes earlier (AA is 763, TAM is 332).

Also, Delta Express 2574 leaves FLL for JFK 25 minutes before jetBlue 12 does, but jetBlue 12 get's there only 5 minutes later.
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RE: Faster Of 2 Planes Flying Same Route

Sun Jan 06, 2002 8:22 am

Its not so much the planes which are flying the route, but the route itself, for example, because the BMI route is newer than the AA one, it may be that BMI has had to settle for a route which takes 10 minutes longer - because that was the route is was alloted when it applied to operate the route.
 
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RE: Faster Of 2 Planes Flying Same Route

Sun Jan 06, 2002 8:25 am

When I saw the question I was gonna say the BMI A330 & AA 763 on the MAN-ORD route............but thats what you were thinking of !
 
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RE: Faster Of 2 Planes Flying Same Route

Sun Jan 06, 2002 11:30 am

Actually, one of the most obvious places where one plane is faster than another is two SFO-HKG non-stop flights, SQ 1 and CX 873.

CX 873 (flying an A340-300) leaves at 2315 hours local time and arrives 0640 hours local time the second day, while SQ 1 (flying a 747-400) leaves at 2355 hours local time and arrives at 0640 hours local time the second day. This means that the A343 has a slower economic cruise speed than the 744, unless the planes are flying different transpacific tracks.
 
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RE: Faster Of 2 Planes Flying Same Route

Sun Jan 06, 2002 11:54 am

Once, from ORD to SNA, me and my aunt were flying the same exact route. She was flying AA, and I was flying UAL. We landed within around 5 minutes of each other. Her plane was behind mine on takeoff, and landed right after mine in SNA. Pretty cool.

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RE: Faster Of 2 Planes Flying Same Route

Sun Jan 06, 2002 11:57 am

Also..although not a major point...arrival slots in some airports are closely controlled. It may not be necessary or beneficial to fly as fast as economically possible. You'd still have to wait for your alloted slot.
 
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RE: Faster Of 2 Planes Flying Same Route

Sun Jan 06, 2002 12:05 pm

Looking at airline timetables is probably not the best way to judge which plane is faster. There are too many factors involved to give an accurate answer based on 2 planes flying between the same 2 cities. But I know for a fact that the 747-400 is the fastest airliner out there. Besides Concorde, of course!
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2002 6:27 am

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RE: Faster Of 2 Planes Flying Same Route

Thu Jan 10, 2002 9:02 am

I once had the opportunity to fly AKL-CHC in an Air New Zealand 732. It was a one hour flight for us, and in Ansett's BAe 146, it was a one hour 10 minute flight. The Ansett flight left before us, and once we were cruising, the captain commented how annoying they were, as the 737 usually caught up, but then had to wait for the 146 to descend (at a slower rate than the 737), and land, which basically lost the speed advantage. Needless to say, these pilots weren't particularly impressed with either Ansett or the BAe 146!

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RE: Faster Of 2 Planes Flying Same Route

Thu Jan 10, 2002 1:35 pm

I didn't miss the point of the thread, cuz i'm straying here - but i'm reminded of the times I'd see a Korean 744 depart YYZ moments before a Korean 74(2-3?) bound for what I assume was the same destination. Can anyone elaborate of their itenerary?
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RE: Faster Of 2 Planes Flying Same Route

Thu Jan 10, 2002 1:43 pm

I have heard of a story from a person who works at United operations in ORD, He says that at United they call the AIr Canada A340 the cholesterol jet because it clogs up the airway, it seems that the Vancouver to Toky flight leaves just a few mins before the Seattle Tokyo United 777 and usually both flights are planed for the same trans-pacific airway at the same alts. But teh 340 usually gets there faster, and when they both enter the airway one after the other, united is always having to request higher or lower to over pass the airbus, which is not an easy thing to request when you are on a pacific oceanic track, so usually the 777 has to slow down and ride behind the clog in the airway.  Smile
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RE: Faster Of 2 Planes Flying Same Route

Thu Jan 10, 2002 10:41 pm

one time i was in a ba 767 from lgw to pit when an air france 747 passed us.
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RE: Faster Of 2 Planes Flying Same Route

Thu Jan 10, 2002 11:25 pm

LHR-JFK probabarly has a few examples.

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