elal106
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Pilot Stops El Al Cargo Plane Enroute...

Tue Jan 08, 2002 3:42 pm

08:05 Pilot stops El Al cargo plane enroute to Belgium after engine ignites before takeoff


This is 2nd engine fire for elal in less then a week!!!
 
jwenting
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RE: Pilot Stops El Al Cargo Plane Enroute...

Tue Jan 08, 2002 4:06 pm

smells like sabotage...
I wish I were flying
 
Delboy
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RE: Pilot Stops El Al Cargo Plane Enroute...

Tue Jan 08, 2002 8:03 pm

jwenting

Stop being sensationalistic!

More than likely pure bad luck.
 
bluewhite
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RE: Pilot Stops El Al Cargo Plane Enroute...

Tue Jan 08, 2002 8:16 pm

And the security around ElAl aircraft is......umm......fairly tight......!
Sheer coincidence.

BW

 
Guest

RE: Pilot Stops El Al Cargo Plane Enroute...

Tue Jan 08, 2002 8:18 pm

More likely poor maintenance...
 
donder10
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RE: Pilot Stops El Al Cargo Plane Enroute...

Tue Jan 08, 2002 10:09 pm

How old are the engines on the 742's?
 
TCA256
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RE: Pilot Stops El Al Cargo Plane Enroute...

Tue Jan 08, 2002 10:36 pm

"More likely poor maintenance" ? are you joking ? this
may be the case for this incident but in general, El Al has one of the best safety rate in the world and most of its pilots and technicians are ex-IAF, a reference!  Innocent
 
El Al 001
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RE: Pilot Stops El Al Cargo Plane Enroute...

Tue Jan 08, 2002 11:12 pm

Another bird strike.
 
avi
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RE: Pilot Stops El Al Cargo Plane Enroute...

Tue Jan 08, 2002 11:58 pm

This is the 4th incident in TLV in 30 hours.

1) A bird strike an El-Al B747-200 just after take-off (the plane landed with 3 engines).
2) A crack in a cockpit window on another El-Al B747-200F
3) An ATR emergency landing due to electrical problems after it was hit by a lightning.
4) This B747-200F

The last one was stuck on the runway for several hours and forces another plane (a flight to Canada) to take off from a shorter runway (with less fuel than needed) and because of that to make a refueling stop in Europe (instead of a direct flight).

Long live the B747
 
Guest

RE: Pilot Stops El Al Cargo Plane Enroute...

Wed Jan 09, 2002 12:32 am

Does El Al interrogate the cargo like it does its passengers, making it check in 3 hours beforehand?  Wink/being sarcastic
 
FDXmech
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RE: Pilot Stops El Al Cargo Plane Enroute...

Wed Jan 09, 2002 1:27 am

My .02 cents.

Sounds like a bad day, probably nothing more, nothing less.

The reference to "poor maintenance" doesn't have any basis in reality. I know nothing of El Al mx, but engines unfortunetly do fail, windows do crack, birds hit airplanes and aircraft on occasion *do* return to the airport. These events are extremely undesirable and everything should be done to avoid these situations, but they do happen.

Sometimes when it rains it pours. For example, take a subsystem on any type aircraft that is relatively troublefree most of the time. All of a sudden you might have a rash of problems with this system on several aircraft in a short period of time. To the average airline fan, this might appear an ominous conspiracy worthy of an A.net discussion (which is OK  Smile) but is 99.9% business as usual.

Good safety records have little to do with planes breaking. Good safety statistics indicate the flight crews ability to function in an abnormal situation and a corporate thus maintenance and operational culture of safety. I've not yet worked for an airline, even if bankrupt (CO's lean years) or lacking capital (PEX) that operated unsafely.
You're only as good as your last departure.
 
Guest

RE: Pilot Stops El Al Cargo Plane Enroute...

Wed Jan 09, 2002 1:53 am

emotions getting ahead of themselves......

Ceilidh holds contempt for EL AL and Israel.

They're many instances on the forum, such as a thread about Israel's CAL in a petty squabble with another kenyan airline and loads of other worthless posts.

(he doesn't mask his contempt that well!)  Laugh out loud
 
elal106
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RE: Tca256

Wed Jan 09, 2002 2:09 pm

Tca256 right on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Laugh out loud
 
aio86
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RE: Pilot Stops El Al Cargo Plane Enroute...

Wed Jan 09, 2002 2:31 pm

Who was flying that ATR into TLV? Arkia?
 
Guest

RE: Pilot Stops El Al Cargo Plane Enroute...

Wed Jan 09, 2002 6:24 pm

"A crack in a cockpit window on another El-Al B747-200F"

Such a thing should never happen!!!
The pilot realized there was a crack only after take-off...
I wonder when this window had been changed/controlled last...

BTW, it seems some birds particularly appreciate El-Al's oldest planes...(?)
 
avi
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RE: Pilot Stops El Al Cargo Plane Enroute...

Wed Jan 09, 2002 11:41 pm

Such a thing should never happen!!!

These things do happen from time to time.
I remember that an Israeli Air Force B707 with the prime minister on board (Netanyaho) had a crack in a cockpit window. The pilot descent immediately and did an unscheduled landing in Greece.

Aio86, I don’t know. It was an Arkia or Israir plane. I heard about it in the radio. There was nothing about it in the newspaper the next day. Aviation issues are cover in very poorly way in the Israeli media.
Long live the B747
 
Guest

RE: Pilot Stops El Al Cargo Plane Enroute...

Thu Jan 10, 2002 12:01 am

I don't know if the IAF old 707s, stored near a BGN runway, should be El-Al's reference concerning maintenance...
BTW, what happened with Bibi's flight was also no great honor for the country (and very frightening!)
 
El Al 001
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RE: Pilot Stops El Al Cargo Plane Enroute...

Thu Jan 10, 2002 3:21 am

The ATR was Israir's, the a/c took off from SDV to ETH and then it had to land at TLV after a lightning hit it.

Michael

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