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Wed Jan 09, 2002 6:07 am

When is this whole Wings alliance thing ganna start? Its going to be Northwest, Continental and KLM right?

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RE: "Wings"

Wed Jan 09, 2002 6:10 am

Is that still even in the works? I know Alitalia is out...did that cause the whole thing to fall apart? What happened there?
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RE: "Wings"

Wed Jan 09, 2002 6:27 am

KLM (and its subsidiaries), Northwest Airlines (and subsidiaries) and Malaysia Airlines would be the main players in 'WINGS'.

Continental, Kenya Airways, Jet Airways, China Southern and Air China are all currently complementary as each has code-share agreements with some of the three main carriers but not all. There are of course many other carriers involved with each carrier.

KLM, NWA and MAS are all at top-level talks about an alliance with the possibility of equity stakes. The three already have a tri-partite code-share on the AMS-KUL route with a view to Transatlantic cooperation.

Continental has become a late entrant into any talks and as such may not be a founding member - if at all 'Wings' does take-off. Who knows? There is a lot more at stake than just the airline and its operations - Amsterdam Schiphol is also in talks with Kuala Lumpur International airport and each carrier (like most at the moment) is busy streamlining its own operations.

This would be an interesting grouping to watch as KLM and NWA are undoubtably 'old hats' at the alliance game and it would not surprise me if they are planning a revolutionary step to take on STAR, OneWorld and SkyTeam - to try and leap ahead.
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RE: "Wings"

Wed Jan 09, 2002 7:22 am

Continental and KLM have just reached a codeshare agreement, so this is one step forward to Wings, as KLM and CO were having some difficulties working out an agreement. Wings would be a formidable opponent to Star, OneWorld, and Skyteam. KLM is just about the size of BA, LH, and AF. NW and CO combined are about the size of DL, AA, and UA.
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RE: "Wings"

Wed Jan 09, 2002 7:25 am

NW and CO combined are actually larger than UA. I don't know about AA though.
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RE: "wings"

Wed Jan 09, 2002 8:41 am

NW and CO together would be over 900 planes. That competes with AA.
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RE: "Wings"

Wed Jan 09, 2002 9:51 am

I thought MAS is only having head-level talks with KLM only. There had been no news so far regarding NWA. Although NWA and MAS are the first American and Asian carrier to gain anti-trust immunity, they did not even make use of it. MAS do not even code-share with NWA and vice versa. They were supposed to launch some code share flights last year but that did not happen as well!
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RE: "Wings"

Thu Jan 10, 2002 7:59 am

they do klm/nw/mh amsterdam Kuala Lumpur manila
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RE: "Wings"

Thu Jan 10, 2002 11:51 am

what will happen if BA and KLM merge, or whatever is going on between them, that will surely effect the whole situation, wont it>????

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