L.1011
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Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Wed Jan 09, 2002 6:20 am

Can anybody give me a list (or a place I could find a list)
of cancelled jetliners?

Thanks in Advance
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Wed Jan 09, 2002 6:31 am

I have never seen such a list before, if one exists I´m interested in learning where to obtain it, too.

There are a few projects I can think about:
- the Boeing "Concorde"
- the 428JET
- the Avro RJX-family

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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Wed Jan 09, 2002 6:37 am

Fokker 130 (a larger F100 for 130 pax)
 
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L.1011
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Wed Jan 09, 2002 7:45 am

Thanks! Keep em comin'!
 
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Wed Jan 09, 2002 7:53 am

Greetings:

The 727-300 program. The 757 was the replacement.

Thanx
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Wed Jan 09, 2002 8:00 am

Hello,

-- A330-400 (strech)
-- A316/A317 (5 abreast in co-op with China)
-- Fokker 60 (a few made for the Dutch air-force)
-- B747-500, 500 & 700
-- B747X & X Strech
-- B777-100
-- MD-12 (also called MD-11 Strech)
-- MD-11 (as a double-decker)

Hope that helps, at least a little.

Jeremiah

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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Wed Jan 09, 2002 8:40 am

File this under here we go again.............

747X program still exists, it has turned into a study program for improvements for the 744. The 747X is not dead.
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Wed Jan 09, 2002 8:58 am

MDF-100 Regional Wide Body McDonnell Douglas Fokker project.



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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Wed Jan 09, 2002 9:27 am

BAC 3-11 (Three-Eleven) a B767 like British project, very much enlarged One-Eleven.

Airbus A300 (predecessor of A300B, a somewhat larger plane than the A300B-1, -B2, -B4 and -600, rather similar to A330-300)

Airbus A330-100 (later -500). Gap filler between A321 and A330.

Boeing 707-700 (one prototype built)

Tupolev Tu-144 (managed 202 pax carrying "test flights" before cancelation)

Aerospatiale Super Caravelle (a French-only SST project prior to the Concorde). Later the name "Super Caravelle" stuck to ordinary Caravelles with P&W JT8D engines.

Bristol 221 (very similar to Super Caravelle)

Does anybody remember the name of the East German (DDR) jet airliner, not too dissimilar to Tu-104, one prototype built in the mid or late fifties?

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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Wed Jan 09, 2002 1:04 pm

Braniff Place, do you have anymore info on that MDF-100? it looks kind of cool.
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Wed Jan 09, 2002 1:17 pm

Lets go back to the begining, the worlds second EVER jet airliner, infact the aircraft that at one time help the patent to the name "JETLINER" The Avro Canada JETLINER was the second passenger jet ever built, roled out only 12 days after the comet, it was a short range aircraft with 45 seats. TWA and National had orders, and it flew the world first commercial jet airmail service from Toronto to New York, sadly the program was dropped due to lack of funding when Trans Canada AIrlines pulled out of the project.
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Wed Jan 09, 2002 1:18 pm

Slawko, you beat me to the punch  Smile
 
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Wed Jan 09, 2002 3:11 pm

There are very many aircraft projects or studies that have been discontinued over the years but very few that were actually cancelled after fomal launch.

Almost all of the aircraft mentioned in the above posts were merely product development studies and I would not class them as cancellations.

The 428JET was a cancellation because it had been formally launched and had booked firm orders.

The A330-100/500 was not launched, had no orders and was merely a product development study.
 
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Wed Jan 09, 2002 4:04 pm

Tu-144 was built and flew for Aeroflot for a short period of time.
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Wed Jan 09, 2002 6:21 pm

Tu-110, (4 engine version of Tu-104) Tu-114 replacement.

Il-96M/T (two prototypes)
 
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Wed Jan 09, 2002 6:41 pm

Back in the 70s Dassault was developing a reg.Jet derivative of the Mystere 20 series which it called the Falcon 30.They built one or so prototype which took to the air.Needless to say-the program was axed ultimately.
The former german democratic republic was also working on a 50-seat- jetliner called ´Baade -152´or something like that.It looked fairly strange-like a ´civil´Boeing B-47,It had ´twin´-engine nacelles and a centreline landing gear.

http://home.t-online.de/home/frank.manke/152.htm
 
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Wed Jan 09, 2002 7:18 pm

The C.102 Jetliner was really the worlds first jet aircraft. As had mentioned it's roll out was 12 days after the Comet. But what wasn't mentioned was that in order for Avro Canada to get the jet engines they couldn't roll it out until the engine supplier. Dehavilland had rolled out their Comet aircraft.

The Avro Canada aircraft was ready earlier, it was just sat on so they could get the engines for it.
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Wed Jan 09, 2002 10:22 pm

i'm really sad that they cancelled the RJX program  Sad
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Iptn

Wed Jan 09, 2002 11:47 pm

When I was in Indonesia in 1996, I was told that IPTN, the government owned aerospace bureau, had a program to develope a wide body jet. This was a prestige project of dr. Habibi, the minister of Industry who later became president. I suppose the program was cancelled when he resigned.

IPTN, as many will know, developed a turboprop along with Casa of Spain. A few were built in the eighties.
 
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Thu Jan 10, 2002 12:21 am

McDonnell Douglas had planned 2 jets to be powered by the 'Ultra High Bypass' engine, in addition to the MD-88.
The first was a 150 seater similar to the MD-80 series in dimension. I think it was designated the MD-89.
The second was a stretched MD-80, probably seating about 180/190 pax. I think it was designated the MD-91.
Anyway I have the story on video if more accuracy is wanted.

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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Thu Jan 10, 2002 4:38 am

BAC 3-11, was not '767 like', it was more like a 1-11 on steriods, about the same size and similar range/payload to the A300. Optioned by BEA and Laker. Cancelled in 1970, after change of goverment brought about spending cuts.

BAC 1-11-700: Longer version, re-fanned Spey engines, 737-200 competitor, but project cancelled when BA brought 737-200 adv.

BAC 1-11-800: Further stretch of 1-11, Speys replaced by CFM-56's, B737-300/MD-80 competitor. No interest from BA to stimulate a development programme.

HS-178: Lengthed HS Trident fuselage, with conventional tail. New wing with two RB-178 engines, (somewhere between the CFM-56 and RB211-535 in capability). Max pax. 210, so a British 757, designed in 1967! Goverment launch aid instead went to the BAC 2-11, which was scaled up to the 3-11.

I think that East German airliner was the VEB-152.
 
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The GDR Jetliner: 152

Thu Jan 10, 2002 10:31 am

You´ll find some images and information (in german) here: http://home.t-online.de/home/Frank.Manke/152.htm

The history of the 152 is quite interesting... I´ve watched a documentary last year. A lot of enthusiasm went into it, but it ultimately failed due to technical and political difficulties.
 
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Thu Jan 10, 2002 10:36 am

How about that joint venture between Boeing and Sukhoi to build a Mach 2+ bizjet (I know, not technically a "jetliner")? Did anything ever come out of it?
 
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Thu Jan 10, 2002 11:43 am

Yeah, what did become of the Boeing/Sukhoi venture???
 
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Thu Jan 10, 2002 12:21 pm

Slawko, you beat me too it. The Avro Jetliner. Damn did the Canadian Government ever screw-over Avro..the Arrow, and the Jetliner.
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Thu Jan 10, 2002 12:23 pm

I, too, remember reading about the Boeing-Sukhoi proposal in 1977. I believe the project fizzled (US-USSR relations were at an all-time low around 1979).

The VEB BB-152 is a very interesting plane; thanks, Klaus, for the Web site link. I heard that the prototype crashed, though of no fault of the aircraft.

Many airliners we know and love looked very different when they were first conceived. The first Boeing 707 looked more like a B-47; an early 747 looked like a four-engined Airbus Super Transporter; a later design for a VC-10 replacement had three fuselages strapped to an elongated wing and six or eight engines.

Then there was the McDonnell 220, a four-engined business jet that looked something like a scaled down DC-8. One was built and later scrapped.

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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Thu Jan 10, 2002 1:47 pm

While we are on the topic of Canadian government screw ups, lets not forget the world first and only flying saucer, which was going to be like a mini-troop transport, and survailence aircraft for the US Airfroce and Army....Not a jetliner, but a neat sight to see flying around YYZ I'm sure....
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Thu Jan 10, 2002 10:28 pm

The F.29, this plane came even before the earlier mentioned MDF-100. It is more or less a stretched F28 like the F100.

At the time that DASA still owned Fokker it was working on a 130 seater called the DASA FAX. It was the reason Fokker was not allowed to develop the F130 (otherwise we probably would have seen it flying). Does anyone know what happened with it? Any pictures (artist impressions) perhaps?
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Fri Jan 11, 2002 1:47 am

Indonesian's IPTN has two cancelled projects due to the Asian economy crisis.

The first one is a 50-70 seats turboprop N250, the first turboprop with FBY system. 2 prototypes were made.

The second one is a regional jet, called N2130. The proposed jetliner has the basic capacity of 130 seats (1 class). However, a stretched and a shortened version were also in the drawing board. No prototypes were made, although there was a cockpit and cabin mockup in the 1996 Indonesian Air Show.

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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Fri Jan 11, 2002 2:25 am

There's a few more I can add to the list

Ahrens 404 - Four engine turboprop commuter. Someone actually managed to get a picture of it here on airliners.net! The ID is 154260.

MD-100 - The predecesor to the MD-11. I'm not positive if it was altogether cancelled or renamed MD-11.

CBA-123 - This was a commuter designed to replace the Embraer 110. It was built by Embraer of Brazil and FAMA of Argentina, and made its first flight around 1991. To my knowledge, no orders were ever placed. Here's a link with some pictures: http://www.x-plane.org/users/lemonade/cba123_br.html#start

 
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Fri Jan 11, 2002 2:42 am

actually, the McDonnell 220 wasn't scrapped.
http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/history/mdc/graphics/hist073b.htm It was restored in 1982, and there were pics on this site taken recently, but none that I can locate.
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Fri Jan 11, 2002 3:05 am

The MD(F)-100 was a short-haul airliner study, that came would have been built with Fokker, not sure it if was before or after the F-29, as illustrated on Braniff Place's post on this thread.
In 1956, the UK goverment cancelled the V-1000, this was a 707 class aircraft, but with engines buried in the wing like the Comet.
BOAC lost interest as they said that the turboprop Britannia would meet their long-haul needs. The RAF had ordered 6 of these aircraft and the prototype was under construction. A few months later BOAC ordered R/R Conway powered B707-420s.
Ten years later, a double-deck version of the VC.10, called the Superb, was designed.
Drawings show this 268 seat aircraft with a planned RB.178 'Super Conway' engine. This would have only given a range of 2900 miles. The Super Conway later became a high-bypass engine, as mentioned in my post above. Four of these would have transformed this aircraft's performance. The UK goverment were keen, BOAC were not, which put paid to any development. (See a pattern emerging here?)
 
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Fri Jan 11, 2002 5:30 am

The 1 remaining McDonnell 220 is parked at El Paso International Airport. I'm not sure if its in flyable, but it looks like its in excellent condition. I think its owned by the same guy who owns the Convair 990 parked there as well. I think the same guy also owns a flyable F-100D Super Sabre I've seen there.
 
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Fri Jan 11, 2002 6:07 am

Tupolev Tu-144 (managed 202 pax carrying "test flights" before cancelation)

Didn't it also carry Cargo commercially before being taken out of service?
 
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Re:EGGD

Fri Jan 11, 2002 6:15 am

Yes, it did, since December 1975, and those flights could be called "test" ones. But not 102 flights with passengers from November 1977 to June 1978.
 
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Fri Jan 11, 2002 9:17 am

The L-1011-600

It was supposed to be an ever shorter version of the -500 and with only 2 engines. Looks REALLY awesome!!!
 
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RE: Cancelled Jetliner Programs

Fri Jan 11, 2002 12:05 pm

Thanks for the pictures of the McDonnell 220 - I'm glad at least one of these unusual planes has survived.

While we're on the topic of the Tristar, Lockheed also had drawings of a s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d version, its longer fuselage to accommodate hydrogen tanks. Then there was a large four-engined turboprop (or unducted fan) widebody airliner, its nose taken from the L-1011.
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