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374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Sun Jan 13, 2002 11:12 pm

I know that many charter airlines cram a lot of people into their planes, but the seat map on Monarch's homepage shows a ridiculously jam packed A332. Normally airbus wide-bodies have 8 seats across, but this one has nine! The normal economy seats are narrow enough, but how can one fit in to 9-abreast seats?? If you've been on one of those flights, what does it feel like sitting in such a narrow seat?

If passengers of airlines like BA/SQ/QF are complaining about DVT problems etc, I am surprised that passengers are not expressing outrage at the lack of space on these charter jets!
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Sun Jan 13, 2002 11:22 pm

I guess this is about normal with charter carriers, scandinavian Premiar flies the A330-200 with 360 seats and the A330-300 with 408(!) seats. On their website iit is said that "the spacie cabin, it's room for 408 seats.
I've been on one of the planes, OY-VKH, and it actually didn't feel that cramped, but I'm not that tall (yet?), and I would really like to fly a "normal" seating lay-out before I could compare. One thing that I noticed in the a/c was the 9-abreast seating in the front of the a/c, but only 8-abreast in the rear. Could anyone explain this to me?

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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Sun Jan 13, 2002 11:24 pm

To be honest, I didn't find it too cramped, compared to Airtours' 8 abreast 763 it was very comfortable, and had more legroom too.

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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Sun Jan 13, 2002 11:25 pm

408 seats?!?!?! That's more than our 747-400s!!!
 
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Sun Jan 13, 2002 11:29 pm

Sounds like a horrible idea to me !
 
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Sun Jan 13, 2002 11:29 pm

Are the seats themselves narrower, or is it mainly the asiles that are made much narrower?

EGGD, yes, you've just reminded me. I've seen 8 abreast on 767s as well. That must be terrible! These airlines should be preparing for complaints from passengers suffering from DVT!!
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Sun Jan 13, 2002 11:33 pm

8-abreast at the rear probably because the plane is actually narrower at the back. I think there would be no asile left if there were nine seats back there!!
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Sun Jan 13, 2002 11:38 pm

mmmmm, the aisle is quite wide at the back, with the help of the 2-4-2 seating. The aisle was about the same size AFAIK.

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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Sun Jan 13, 2002 11:40 pm

In the early days of the A300 (same fuselage cross section as the A330), it was quite common to use 3-3-3 seating configuarations.

IMHO, 3-3-3 is not that bad, compared with 2-5-2. Some carriers are also using 3-4-3 (10 abreast) on the 777, guess this should feel the same as 3-3-3 in the bus.
 
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Sun Jan 13, 2002 11:47 pm

I've also seen this in a seating plan for an Alitalia A300 used on European and/or domestic routes 5+ yrs ago.
A300, A319, A320, A321, A332, A333, A343, A346, A388, B734, B738, B744, B772, B773, B788, F70, MD11, CRJ7, CRJ2, Q400
 
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Sun Jan 13, 2002 11:52 pm

Its comfortable. Ive been on A300 with 361 seats.
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Mon Jan 14, 2002 12:22 am

Relax, it´s not that bad. I´ve been both on 3-4-3 DC10s and 3-3-3 Airbusses, and it´s OK. Being tall and slim I prefer narrower seats with more legroom over wider seats with less legroom.

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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Mon Jan 14, 2002 12:27 am

I've sat in an A300 with 3-3-3 seating and its not so bad, I actually think that they were wider than BA's World Traveller seats in their 744's (3-4-3)

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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Mon Jan 14, 2002 12:29 am

it depends how tall one is...last year flew LGW-FUE on MON A300...dreadfully cramped..couldn't move..just pants really!!
 
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Mon Jan 14, 2002 1:51 am

Hehe, you said breast hehe.
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Mon Jan 14, 2002 1:55 am


Swedish Britannia has 316 seats on their 763.
They have 2-4-2seat config.
First five rows are premium class where they have 2-3-2.
i feel sorry for the crew since the galleys are so small.
It must be really hard trying to work there..lol
Also one thing is that they dont have any waste bins in the cabin. In the aft galley there is a small latch in the floor where they throw all the waste, and they have this big waste bin in the cargo area. Its pretty smart.
Maybe the some big airlines should try that.It would save a lot of room. And maybe they could afford some extra legroom.
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Mon Jan 14, 2002 1:55 am

I've flown Air Transat's 3-3-3 A330's four times now. Twice I was in Club Transat, but the other 2 times it was a flight across the Atlantic. The seats where narrow but not constrictive was my first notice, but being fairly tall I found the legroom quite bad. I could withstand the 3-3-3 seating as long as there was a bit more legroom, but I wouldn't want to be a big guy sitting in those seats. I guess the only comfort you have is thinking how little you paid for the flight.

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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Mon Jan 14, 2002 4:21 am

There are several airlines out there, the most famous is probably Britannia, because they fly their 767s in a 2-4-2 configuration and have up to 47 rows on the 763. That fits in up to 330 people into the 767, compared to better charter carrier´s all economy 270. It´s the science of converting an extreme longhaul aircraft into a medium range mass transporter. LTU was thinking about flying its 333s in a 3-3-3 config for a while but thank god they did not go through with that idea. They have just cut legroom a little.
 
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Mon Jan 14, 2002 5:58 am

The 767's 8 abreast is the worst of the bunch, the 767's cabin internally is to narrow for the 8 across to me. 9 on the bus isnt so bad.
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Mon Jan 14, 2002 6:03 am

this raises an interesting question: What are the maximum number of PAX that these airplanes are certified to carry? Would 408 be the legal limit for a 333, for example? I've read that the 772 is certified for 419. Anyone have some of these figures?
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Mon Jan 14, 2002 6:29 am

I believe the 777-200 can carry up to 510pax in an all Y config.
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Mon Jan 14, 2002 6:31 am

I remember flying on A300 with 3-3-3 from Carnival and that plane was overly cramped. It was a 3 hour flight and it felt more like a 6 hour flight when I got there.
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Mon Jan 14, 2002 6:37 am

I boarded an Edelweiss A332 on the ground last time and I think I counted 280+ seats in a 2 class 2-4-2 config. The Y seats were quite comfy with adjustable headrests.
 
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Mon Jan 14, 2002 7:14 am

Apparently the Corsair 747 flights from CDG to Tahiti are "special", as much as 550 pax in a one class plane! Yikes!!
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Mon Jan 14, 2002 9:06 am

Corsair 747/300 have 580 pax with 2 class.
How come ?
Only 2 galleys on the main deck, at doors 2 and doors 4, no wardrobe for coats and 12 lavs, on the upper deck 1 galley 2 lavs, 25 seats in the business like class and 36 seats for the eco . So you can put a lot off people. ANA and JAL put more pax on their 747/400 domestic.
 
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Mon Jan 14, 2002 9:36 am

How can 8 abreast in a 763 be worse than 9 abreast in a 330 if the seats on a 763 are wider in a normal configuration than those on a normally configured 330? Logic and basic math say it can't be so unless the charter 763 have no aisles? Just curios if anyone has the seat measurements for this charter class comparison.
 
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Mon Jan 14, 2002 9:57 am

A300/310/330/340 Cross Section:
Charter: 16in tourist class seats with 16in gangways
Standard:17inch+ economy class seats with 19in gangways.
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Mon Jan 14, 2002 10:33 am

When MON came into SFB, their A330s and A300s both had 9-abreast and their DC10 was configured for 10-abreast.

A330 = 374 pax.
A300 = 361 pax.
DC10 = 361 pax.

I sat in the A330's seat one time, and it wasn't that bad, but maybe on a long flight it might get uncomfortable after awhile.
 
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Mon Jan 14, 2002 10:51 am

I have also been on Air Transat A330 once with the 9 abreast seating. It wasn't so bad at all just the seats seen smaller. The seat pitch was not too bad either accept when the person in font of you has his seat recline all the way while you don't have yours the same, then the space would be too small for me. I think an A333 can carry up to 420 passengers in two class config.
 
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Tue Jan 15, 2002 5:53 am

I flew on an Air Florida DC-10 with 3-4-3 (10 abreast) seating. While not spacious, it wasn't too bad; and the airlines excellent service made up for any drawbacks.
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Tue Jan 15, 2002 6:48 am

I too have been on the 361 pax A300-600R of Monarch and on the Corsair 747-300 with 581 pax off a 2250m strip at Leeds Bradford (LBA)!!
 
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Tue Jan 15, 2002 7:19 am

Tried the BA777 on a flight back from Miami with the 3-4-3 configuration in economy and it felt cramped at the time but not too bad.
Last year I was in economy on a flight back from Jo'burg on BA and the 3-4-3 configuration on their 744 was the most cramped I have ever been in my life yet the 744 has a wider cabin !! The first seat I have ever sat in where I couldnt even get my Sony MD walkman down the side of the seat !!

The 3-4-3 on ATA wasn't too bad either - they seemed to give you more leg room as compensation.

Have to say that im grateful though to Airtours for using the Skyservice A333 (2-4-2) instead of their own A332 (3-3-3) on their winter schedule to SFB !!
 
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Tue Jan 15, 2002 7:23 am

Aren't AF's 340's configured 3-3-3. I flew once form IAH to CDG and I seem to recall the A340 was configured in such a way.
 
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RE: Gkirk

Tue Jan 15, 2002 7:30 am

Maximum for the 777-200 is 440, that is what it is certified at Gkirk.
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Tue Jan 15, 2002 7:44 am

Mmmm....ok. Sure I read somewhere it would be possible for 500+.
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Tue Jan 15, 2002 7:51 am

Probably in an emergency situation or if it had more exits. remeber that 747 a while back that carried over 1,000 people in that evacuation Gkirk.
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Tue Jan 15, 2002 8:17 am

Some years ago, Airbus used to say in its advertisements that passengers on its long haul planes would never be more than one seat way from an aisle - that clearly isn't true!

We've now talkied about 3-3-3- on Airbuses, 3-4-3- on 777s/DC-10s. What about 3-5-3 on a 747, would that be possible? I somehow recall being on a UA 747 many years back and it had five seats in the centre. Is that possible? I may be wrong, as I was very young then.



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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Tue Jan 15, 2002 8:50 am

See my recent trip report on one of Monarchs A330's on a 10+ hour flight to / from Goa.
 
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Tue Jan 15, 2002 8:54 am

Wait till one of these cattle car outfits gets a hold of a 380. I would travel to the destination airport just to see the sorry sods disembark. Using the above aircraft as a basis, I bet Airtours or Corsair could conceivably cram 11,426 people in a 380 using vertical space pods on all eight floors, then just induce them to sleep with a mild sedative gas and launch them through the convertible roof upon landing. Far fetched you say? haha, maybe not my friends.
 
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Tue Jan 15, 2002 1:52 pm

Last week I was on THAI's B772 with 10 abreast (3-4-3) seating. It was not too bad at all. Much better than what I expected.

THAI only uses these planes for short haul flights only for obvious reason. It's not gonna work for transpacific flights.
 
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Tue Jan 15, 2002 2:25 pm

Boeing 747s are not configured for 3-5-3 seating. I believe Boeing will not certify an aircraft reconfigured for such seating, so you were probably mistaken when u think u saw a 747 with 3-5-3 seating
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Tue Jan 15, 2002 2:35 pm

CX's L-1011 were in 3-4-3 configuration in the main cabin and no one seems to be complaining...
 
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RE: 374 Passengers In An A330-200 (9 Abreast)!

Tue Jan 15, 2002 9:17 pm

I remember flying on that MON DC10-30 when it was with Zambia Airways. It was config. 3 class, 236 seats.
(F)2+2+2 / (C)2+3+2 / (Y)2+5+2 and as it narrowed in the back 2+4+2.