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Residents Around JFK Want Flight Paths Changed

Mon Jan 21, 2002 11:33 am

Residents Of The Rockaways Call To Change Air Routes Out Of JFK

(Belle Harbor-WABC, January 20, 2002) — Hundreds of air routes out of JFK airport could be changing soon. Community leaders are calling for new flight paths over Queens and parts of Long Island. Residents living in those metro areas have long had concerns about the jets flying overhead day and night. October's deadly crash in Belle Harbor added new energy and urgency to their pleas for change. Art McFarland reports the story.


Belle Harbor is still healing. Residents lost dozens of their neighbors in the World Trade Center disaster, and then two months lost friends, neighbors and loved ones as a result of the crash of Flight 587 in their own neighborhood. Residents have asked for fewer flights over the area for a long time. Even before the crash, residents felt changing the flight patterns was long over due.
Residents of The Rockaways met Sunday night to discuss the issue. Many feel that their lives are at risk if things don't change. The meeting was for the Federal Aviation Administration to spell out its plans for reducing the number of planes flying directly over this community.

Gerrie Pomponio barely escaped her home when Flight 587 came down and killed her husband.

Gerrie Pomponio, Crash Victim: "The house just shook. We heard an explosion...debris flying all over the place. We cleared out of the bathroom, and the whole house was gone."

Frank Hatfield, F.A.A.: "What we are doing is for those airlines that are departing that have historically flown over The Rockaways...we're going to try to find a little less populated areas for those aircraft to fly over."

The meeting and the arrangements were spear headed by Congressman Anthony Weiner who says the F.A.A. will cut Rockaway fly overs by up to 80 percent.

Rep. Anthony Weiner, New York (D): "We are diverting all of the flights as possible out over Breezy Point...out over the water. And for the first time in our nation's history we are using computer tracking, essentially the auto pilot on planes, to make sure they follow that route and don't cross over land."

When Flight 587 crashed, five people on the ground were killed and numerous homes were destroyed. Residents are skeptical that the F.A.A. will be able to implement the plan.

John Lepore, Rockaway Chamber of Commerce: "Its not been a secret for the people out here that the obvious choice was to bring flights over the water and not route them over land. It's sorry that it took a flight crashing in our neighborhood for them to come to that realization."

The F.A.A. is quick to point out that they will not be reducing the number of flights coming out of JFK. They will just try to keep those flights out over the water. This will all begin with a trial period starting February 21st. After that, they hope that the changes, fewer flights and quieter skies in the area, will become permanent.

I don't understand why the residents are complaing now, I don't belevie any planes has crashed in the Rockaways before American Airlines flight 587, besides that....the airport has been there before the residents.



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philh83
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RE: Residents Around JFK Want Flight Paths Changed

Mon Jan 21, 2002 11:53 am

I never understand residents complaining about noise from airports or flight paths. Did these people buy their homes in the dark with their fingers in their ears? These people willingly paid for their homes knowing their house is either near an airport or under a flight path. I also question the timing of the complaint. The airport has been there before many of the residents. It is a little shortsighted to ask an airport suddenly just to change many of the flight paths out of a major airport like JFK. These residents might not realize that there are other airports in the New York Metro area besides JFK. EWR, LGA and even ISP, HPN and SWF use the area as well. A little too much to ask at the wrong time if you ask me.

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RE: Residents Around JFK Want Flight Paths Changed

Mon Jan 21, 2002 12:46 pm

*"Gerrie Pomponio, Crash Victim: "The house just shook. We heard an explosion...debris flying all over the place. We cleared out of the bathroom, and the whole house was gone."*


Um what were they all doing in the bathroom at once?

 
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RE: Residents Around JFK Want Flight Paths Changed

Mon Jan 21, 2002 1:26 pm

I completely agree with Philh83. Another thing to point out: If they move the arrival/departure corridors, they will just be over someone elses house, and then they'll complain about all the noise!  Angry It's nonsence!  Insane They all just need to suck it up and deal with it, it's their choice to live in a big city, and nobody has a gun to their head keeping them there!!

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RE: Residents Around JFK Want Flight Paths Changed

Mon Jan 21, 2002 4:08 pm

AA_Cam, Philh83: I Totally agree with you. A plane crashing into someones house is obviously a big deal to the owners and having it kill someone on the ground is very tragic. But the residents have to understand the fact that there are 3 major airports near them and the possibility of a crash on their street is something to think about. Obviously an airliner ending up in your living room is not something that occurs everyday but it is a possibility. If that worries a resident then maybe they should consider moving. I dont want to sound rude but I dont think changing flight paths is as easy as some people think, especially in the jfk/lga/ewr area.
 
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RE: Residents Around JFK Want Flight Paths Changed

Mon Jan 21, 2002 4:19 pm

I think changing flightpaths just to suit a few people is rediculous. It will just inconvenience someone else then anways. People don't want to drive for hours to get to the airport yet they don't want the airport in their backyard- well you can't have it both ways. The airport was there longer than most of them probably were and they certainly knew about it when they purchased their house. If they change the flightpaths here then what's to stop the rest of the general public demanding their flightpaths changed too? Take Lockerbie for example they are under a major flightpath and even though the planes pass high overhead(30,000ft +) their houses are still technically in danger(e.g PanAm 103). Airplanes have to pass over land at some point and you can't please everyone!
 
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RE: Residents Around JFK Want Flight Paths Changed

Mon Jan 21, 2002 4:48 pm

Well, being a Rockaway resident I tell you what I tell my fellow neighbors...

I ask them:

When was the last time (before AA587) a plane crashed in our neighborhood?

They say..."never"

Then I ask them:

When was the last time someone in our neighborhood was killed in a car accident and are you still driving your car?

Well, that usually shuts them up.

Michael
 
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RE: Residents Around JFK Want Flight Paths Changed

Tue Jan 22, 2002 9:15 am

Nice work Mikephotos!  Big thumbs up

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RE: Residents Around JFK Want Flight Paths Changed

Tue Jan 22, 2002 10:53 am

Same thing is happening at DAL. But in DAL's case, it is expansion.

I think it's so amazing that people move to that location when they know that planes will be flying over their head and that an airport is close by. It just seems to amaze me.

JFK has been there for a long time, probably longer than some of the people over there who have been born.

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fly_emirates
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RE: Residents Around JFK Want Flight Paths Changed

Tue Jan 22, 2002 10:58 am

well,
I live in the approach path of sharjah international airport, which is a cargo airport more than its commercial, and when i talk about cargo plane, i mean the big illusion planes and tupoleve. we never complained about the planes, because when we got or built our houses after having the land, we knew exactly that the planes always pass here , so i dont think us complaining one day will be fair! meanwhile, we always enjoy seeing the planes when approaching and opening their gears just over our house..

 
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RE: Residents Around JFK Want Flight Paths Changed

Tue Jan 22, 2002 11:00 am

the same thing happened in Austin when Bergstrom was being built and opened.


People on the SE side complained that the airport would bring in Noise and such over their homes. The fact that Bergstrom was an Air Force base for 50 years with f-16s, F-4s and louder, older transports flying in and out, over their houses, never occured to them I guess................
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RE: Residents Around JFK Want Flight Paths Changed

Tue Jan 22, 2002 11:14 am

My house is directly on the flight path to JFK, and when we bought it, we were well aware of this. These people that are complaining about noise and aircraft movements have been doing so from the time JFK was built, and the AA crash only gave them another opportunity to complain once again. The fact of the matter is, aircraft do not fly all hours of the night. Usually from 6am to 11pm, they will fly over the residential neighborhoods of Queens and Long Island. From my understanding, during all other times, the aircraft attempt to take a mostly all water route when departing/arriving. However, the Belle Harbour neighborhood lies very close to the water (I might also add that this neighborhood is no more than 1 mile wide) so outbound aircrafts must cross it before heading out over the sea. The fact is, aircraft only fly over this community for less than a mile, in effect, less than a minute. So for these people to complain about 20 seconds of airplane noise is totally ridiculous, I'm sorry. Belle Harbour is a affluential neighborhood, not far from Far Rockaway, a very African American neighborhood. They are both on the Rockaway peninsula and both have aircraft criscrossing their neighborhoods. The difference, one is rich and white the other black and poor. When all those Dominican passengers died on the AA crash, the newschannels decided to focus more on the 5 or so white residents who perished in Belle Harbour rather than the 250 Dominicans on board the flight. Hypocracy!
 
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RE: Residents Around JFK Want Flight Paths Changed

Tue Jan 22, 2002 11:23 am

I constantly have planes flying over my house when they are arriving on Rwy. 4R and 4L taking off from Rwy. 27 (like they are now) at BOS. I've never thought about a crash and I won't. I would hate for the paths to change here at BOS because I love sitting around my house watching the planes. Changing the paths might just cause more problems...

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RE: Residents Around JFK Want Flight Paths Changed

Tue Jan 22, 2002 11:27 am

I live in Howard Beach, generally considered one of the nicest residential areas in New York City. We are also under the flight path of JFK, yet no one bitches about the noise. You get used to it, and most sane people realize the airport was here first. Those who whine, should just move. I bet those who complain, are also the first to enjoy the closeness, of a major international airport.
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RE: Residents Around JFK Want Flight Paths Changed

Tue Jan 22, 2002 2:14 pm

The problem is that the residents of the "noise sensative" areas are charmed by politicians who use the "noise issue" to be elected. A friend of mine lives near the Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood Int'l Airport. I had a very funny discussion with her neighbor about the "many 747's" that are "constantly" landing at FLL. This idiot said he would "straighten things out at that airport" when he was elected to the city council! Pilots-if he is elected, look for the FLL 9L approach to resemble the Quito approach! (kind of a long spiral in a vally as I understand it).

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