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Frontier JetExpress - Will It Get Big?

Mon Jan 21, 2002 2:30 pm

What do you think will be the future of Frontier JetExpress?

They already announced they'd serve 3 times daily service to San Jose (SJC) and 2 times daily to Houston which would supplement the Frontier's current service.

That's all they announced so far. Do you think we'll see much more? If so, what?

Mesa Air is planning on basing 5 CRJ200ERs in Denver for Frontier JetExpress.

I hope we see a livery on them.

Great Lakes Airlines is putting scenic images on its tail because of its partnership with Frontier.

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RE: Frontier JetExpress - Will It Get Big?

Mon Jan 21, 2002 4:07 pm

More than likely, we will see Mesa (Frontier JetExpress) add service to secondary markets through its Denver hub to such cities as Tucson, Boise, Spokane, Wichita, Des Moines, Colorado Springs and Oklahoma City. They probably feed Frontier with the same proportion of flights as they (America West Express) does for America West.
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RE: Frontier JetExpress - Will It Get Big?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 6:58 am

Well.....they're going to base 5 CRJ200ERs in Denver for the Frontier JetExpress operation.

I hope they fly DEN-BMI.

2 years ago, the last night flight to OMA continued to BMI. But loads were pretty low, so they dropped it.

They could probably do well on a CRJ200.

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RE: Frontier JetExpress - Will It Get Big?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:19 am

America West recently began flying one 732 to Des Moine each day because the loads were becoming huge on Mesa's CRJs. Do you believe Frontier will begin service to Des Moines?
 
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RE: Frontier JetExpress - Will It Get Big?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:23 am

Hope they fly to Wichita. I think there's a good chance. The city's been talking with AirTran, Frontier, and ATA(Doubt that will happen) to start flying here. Local businesses are pledging money to low fare carriers if they come here.
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RE: Frontier JetExpress - Will It Get Big?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:31 am

I think ICT is a VERY good possibility.

As for DSM, I'm not really sure....

Maybe, maybe not.

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RE: Frontier JetExpress - Will It Get Big?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:32 am

Did I miss something? Last I heard there were to be a total of 7 CRJ's for FRNT Jet Express by the end of the year.

That is 5 more, in addition to the original 2.

Has it changed?

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RE: Frontier JetExpress - Will It Get Big?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:35 am

Mariner,

For starters they will start out with 5 CRJs, then they will expand there fleet.

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RE: Frontier JetExpress - Will It Get Big?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:59 am

I think DSM would be a perfect market fit for the RJ's...This is a city that has been screwed over for years by UAL as far as Denver service, high priced, predatory, and increasingly less capacity as time goes on. Therefore, the market loses quite a percentage of passengers going to larger better-served cities cities like Omaha and Kansas City.

ICT? I don't know, I would think that the service would be more sucessful in places like Tulsa, Des Moines and Oklahoma City.
 
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RE: Frontier JetExpress - Will It Get Big?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 8:10 am

Thanks, BA, but I'm still a tad confused. I went back and checked the news releases.

Dow Jones Newswire 12-05-01. Jonathan Ormstein, CEO of MESA, said: "we plan to have 7 regional jets in service for Frontier by the end of 2002."

My point is simply this: has something changed?

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RE: Frontier JetExpress - Will It Get Big?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 8:12 am

Mariner,

I'm really not too sure. I originally heard 5 when they announced it back in September. I guess they decided that Frontier JetExpress would be bigger than they thought, so now they're going to base 7.

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RE: Frontier JetExpress - Will It Get Big?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 8:21 am

BA:

Fair enough. Either way, it isn't bad!

I guess the bigger question on my mind - and a few other people's - is the livery. Will it look like Frontier with the "critters on the tails"? or will it look like Mesa?

Have you heard anything?

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RE: Frontier JetExpress - Will It Get Big?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 8:46 am

Mariner,

I haven't heard anything about the livery. I am guessing it will have its own livery since Great Lakes Airlines is putting scenic tail images since they code-share with Frontier.

We'll find out soon enough.  Smile

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RE: Frontier JetExpress - Will It Get Big?

Thu Jan 24, 2002 9:18 am

What I would like to see them serve is DEN-BMI.

DEN-COS would also be interesting, but I don't think they would do it as the route is dominated by United 11 times a day.

It will be interesting to see what routes they decide. For now, we can just play a guessing game.  Smile

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RE: Frontier JetExpress - Will It Get Big?

Thu Jan 24, 2002 9:49 am

Here's another market that I think would be good for Frontier JetExpress. DAL-DEN.

Now I know you're probably thinking "why would Frontier JetExpress want to serve DAL when Frontier already serves DFW?" Well, for the same reason Continental Express serves DAL and Continental serves DFW. It gives people who live closer to Love Field a choice.

All Frontier JetExpress would have to do would be run 3-4 roundtrips per day to their hub in Denver. From DEN, Love Field passengers could make connections to other points throughout the west. The limitations of the Wright Amendment would not apply in this case, because the first leg of the trip would be on an aircraft with 56 seats or less, so the passenger wouldn't have to buy 2 separate tickets and claim and recheck their luggage in DEN.

This, I think, is why Continental Express' service out of DAL has been so successful. Lots of folks take Continental Express to either IAH or CLE, then connect to other Continental Express/Continental mainline jets to other destinations all on one ticket and without having to claim and recheck luggage.

Not only is Love Field more convenient for a lot of wealthy people in Highland Park, but getting through security would probably take less time than at DFW. Obviously Frontier JetExpress wouldn't be operating out of the West Concourse which is used by Southwest. They most likely would operate out of the North Concourse, where Delta Connection has a handful of flights to ATL, the East Concourse where Continental Express has 12-15 departures a day to IAH and CLE, or Legend's old terminal that no one is using at the present time. Since there's not much traffic out of North Concourse or East Concourse and none out of Legend's terminal, security lines would not be an issue.

If Continental Express can make DAL-CLE work, then I don't see why Frontier JetExpress couldn't make DAL-DEN work.

Just my 2 cents.

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RE: Frontier JetExpress - Will It Get Big?

Thu Jan 24, 2002 10:02 am

LoneStarMike,

That's a great idea and I wouldn't be too surprised if Frontier JetExpress does it.

Frontier JetExpress is going to start 3x daily to SJC. Now Frontier Airlines flies 4x daily to SFO.

Frontier JetExpress could fly 3x daily to DAL in addition to the 4x daily to DFW which Frontier Airlines currently serves.

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