Mr.BA
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Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Mon Jan 21, 2002 4:41 pm

Hi everyone,

I apologise if this has been started before, but I couldn't find it after searching for a while. I would like to know what are the top 5 longest B747-400 (only), operated before and currently routes in the world. Thank you

alvin
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Mon Jan 21, 2002 4:51 pm

Don't know the exact numbers, but SAA's flights from the USA to South Africa with B747-400's ie. JFK-JNB, ATL-CPT and ATL-JNB are right up there within the top 5 or 6.
 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Mon Jan 21, 2002 5:17 pm

I would say these would be right up there.

MEL-LAX
ORD-HKG
SYD-LAX
AKL-EZE
TPE-LAX

plus the ones SAA201 said. I have no idea about distances though.
 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Mon Jan 21, 2002 5:53 pm

LON-SYD
SYD-NYC

Not non stop of course
 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Mon Jan 21, 2002 5:54 pm

AMS - TYO (KL)
non stop
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Mon Jan 21, 2002 5:55 pm

AMS-TYO is nowhere near as far as MEL-LAX and JNB-ATL....surely even SIN-LHR is longer than AMS-TYO.

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Look Here!

Mon Jan 21, 2002 10:09 pm

You can always check routes with this link:

http://gc.kls2.com/

TRY IT !!

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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:18 am

Thanks a lot!
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:25 am

LHR-SYD
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:35 am

LHR sydney has a stop. it really doesnt matter how long a route of a 747-400 is if it stops... what matters is non stop! Wasnt United Airlines flight from JFK-HKG the worlds longest nonstop flight before it was suspended?
 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:44 am

If you want to get technical, the world's longest 747-400 route was the old UA 1/2 RTW route: LAX-IAD-LHR-DEL-HKG-LAX.
 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:47 am

Wasn't part of UA1/2 operated by 777s?

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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:47 am

I would say:

LAX-LHR
NRT-JFK
HKG-JFK (UA only operated for a couple months)
 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Tue Jan 22, 2002 8:21 am

I would have to say:

JFK-NRT
AMS-NRT
DTW-HKG
DTW-TPE
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Tue Jan 22, 2002 8:46 am

CPT-FLL is definitley a top five.
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Tue Jan 22, 2002 9:02 am

My money's on the Springbok.

I would bet the that SAA's North America services account for 4 of the top 5 longest 744 routes.

In order of decreasing mileage (sorry, don't have the point-to-point mileage handy) -

ATL-JNB
JFK-JNB
ATL-CPT
CPT-FLL

These sectors are all over 8000 statute miles, with the exception of CPT-FLL, which is darn close.

I don't think any transpac 744 services are longer than these SAA routes now that UA's JFK-HKG is gone.

This subject has come up before regarding the longest scheduled commerical air routes. ATL-JNB is still the longest sked route operated based on point-to-point mileage. Having travelled SAA ATL-CPT-FLL-ATL I can definitely attest, these flights seem to last forever.

 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Tue Jan 22, 2002 10:07 am

I'm confused, I guess. Are we talking non-stop flights, or are we talking about flights with stops? I'm pretty sure the SAA 744 doesn't do ATL-JNB non-stop. At 8,431 miles, it is well outside the range of a 744. I thought the SAA planes fueled up in the Azores or somewhere in the Atlantic? Maybe not, however.

FLL-CPT is 7,647 miles. However, it is bested by LAX-MEL (Qantas flight 93, and ex-United) at 7,930 miles. JFK-HKG was 8,071 miles before it was axed. If ATL-CPT is a non-stop, it is the longest (8,105 miles). If not, the longest flight I believe is still the LAX-MEL route.

Others mentioned in this thread:
LAX-SYD - 7,478 miles
SFO-SYD - 7,405 miles
AKL-EZE - 6,459 miles
LAX-AKL - 6,517 miles
LAX-TPE - 6,804 miles
AMS-NRT - 5,820 miles
SIN-LHR - 6,764 miles
 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Tue Jan 22, 2002 11:05 am

I think SAA did fly ATL-JNB non-stop Eastbound only for a while, and It was a 744?!?
You mad Bro???
 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Tue Jan 22, 2002 8:42 pm

Then how about HKG-LAX ?
 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Tue Jan 22, 2002 9:40 pm

I think the Saa 744 operated non-stop eastbound
- JNB is 5,000 above sea level so the westbound flights stop in Sal Island

The longest must be JFL- HKG if that was nonstop

Longest stopping flight is NZ1 LHR-AKL
 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Wed Jan 23, 2002 4:01 am

Most of SAA's eastbound transatlantic services operate NONSTOP. That's ATL-JNB, ATL-CPT, JFK-JNB. Recently SAA introduced JFK-Lagos-JNB, but they still operate JFK-JNB nonstop a few times weekly.
Westbound services are via FLL or Sal Island.

Using Travelin man's figures, it appears the 5 longest sked NONSTOP 744 routes are...

1. ATL-JNB SAA 8,431 statute miles
2. JFK-JNB SAA 8,000+ (don't have the exact #)
3. ATL-CPT SAA 8,105
4. LAX-MEL QF 7,930
5. CPT-FLL SAA 7,647

Just look at an atlas and behold all the blue between ATL/JFK and South Africa...
 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Wed Jan 23, 2002 4:20 am

I was at CPT airport earlier this month, and there was an SAA flight leaving at 5.20pm for Jo'burg, Ilha do Sal & Atlanta.

Guess that confirms the stops, westbound.

Wouldn't mind the length if I was flying on SAA's new fully-flat beds in First & Business Class! Big grin

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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Wed Jan 23, 2002 4:24 am

forget looking at an atlas... that has to much distortion. to fully appreciate those flights check out a globe for a realistic representation of just how long those flights are!
 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Wed Jan 23, 2002 4:39 am

A reasonable point KaiTakFan, but consider that these flights pass through low latitudes only...the level of distortion present on a standard Mercator projection map through low latitudes is really small. Pick the shortest straight line distance between ATL & JNB on a standard wall map and a globe, and I bet you'd find the two paths pretty similar.

Ok, so I'm splitting hairs...but I think it's an interesting topic.

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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Wed Jan 23, 2002 7:04 am

Interesting.. keep them coming.
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Wed Jan 23, 2002 8:50 am


Excuse my ignorance here but...

Does anyone fly SFO-SIN or vice versa with a 744 as this is 8446 miles, mostly over water again...beating ATL-JNB by some 15 miles! I've seen Singapore A340's at SFO...but do United fly SFO-SIN...?

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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Wed Jan 23, 2002 8:53 am

Or how about LAX-SIN / SIN-LAX at 8770 miles  Smile
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Wed Jan 23, 2002 9:01 am

Nope, as yet no nonstop service from North America to SIN. No airliner today has legs long enough for such a route, at least when carrying an economically viable pax/cargo load.
 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Wed Jan 23, 2002 9:03 am

SQ will start SIN-SFO and SIN-LAX in 2003 or 2004 when they get their A340-500 aircraf.
 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Wed Jan 23, 2002 9:05 am

JFK-JNB -- 7,960 miles (interesting that ATL-JNB is 500 more miles than JFK-JNB)
LAX-HKG -- 7,259 miles

I still don't see how a 744 could do ATL-JNB (8,431 miles) non-stop, if Boeing's own websiteindicates max range for a 744 is 7,325 nautical miles. Of course, a nautical mile is a little bit more than a regular mile, but the site from Megatop indicates a route length of 8,431 miles! Is there a huge payload restriction?

 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Wed Jan 23, 2002 9:07 am

The ATL-JNB is nonstop east bound only, and is helped by the tail winds, so it could probably fly a bit further because of the winds.
 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Wed Jan 23, 2002 9:23 am

SQ has 2 flights daily into SFO.

One is via Seoul (ICN). The other is via HKG(CLK).

LAX i believe is served via TPE.
 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Wed Jan 23, 2002 11:01 am

LAX is served by SQ through both TPE and NRT.
 
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Top 8 List!

Wed Jan 23, 2002 11:20 am

From Great Circle Mapper
Top 8 that I think!

ATL -JNB 8431 mi
ATL -CPT 8105 mi
JFK -JNB 7960 mi
MEL -LAX 7930 mi
ORD -HKG 7793 mi
SYD -LAX 7478 mi
TPE -LAX 6804 mi
AKL -EZE 6459 mi

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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Wed Jan 23, 2002 4:04 pm

Thanks all for the replies!

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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Wed Jan 23, 2002 8:41 pm

But is it LAX-HKG route longer LAX-TPE ?
 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Wed Jan 23, 2002 9:49 pm

According to Great Circle Mapper:

ATL-CPT: 7043 nm
HKG-JFK: 7014 nm
JFK-JNB: 6917 nm
MEL-LAX: 6891 nm
DTW-HKG: 6827 nm
HKG-YYZ: 6787 nm
ORD-HKG: 6772 nm
CPT-FLL: 6645 nm
DTW-TPE: 6558 nm
SYD-LAX: 6498 nm
HKG-LAX: 6308 nm
DXB-JFK: 5951 nm *
TPE-LAX: 5913 nm
NRT-JFK: 5862 nm
AKL-EZE: 5612 nm
MAD-EZE: 5408 nm
AMS-TYO: 5071 nm
AMS-NRT: 5057 nm
LAX-LHR: 4741 nm


* EK plans to start this flight with the A345

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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Wed Jan 23, 2002 10:08 pm

United Claims World's Longest Non-Stop Scheduled Passenger Flight

United Airlines planned to launch yesterday what it says is the world's longest non-stop scheduled passenger flight, linking New York and Hong Kong in just under 16 hours via a polar route, a spokesman for the airline announced.

United Airlines' Flight 821 was to leave New York's John F Kennedy airport at 10:50 am (1450 GMT) yesterday, and arrive in Hong Kong at 2:30 pm (0630 GMT) today in a flight lasting 15 hours 40 minutes and covering 13,580 kilometres, the spokesman said.

That will be a few kilometres longer than a competing flight by Continental Airlines, which launched its own direct flight between Newark Airport, near New York, and Hong Kong on March 1.

The return flight departs Hong Kong at 5:05 pm arriving in New York the same evening at 8:35 pm local time (0035 GMT tomorrow).

Pilots fly the aircraft manually in the vicinity of the pole to avoid magnetic interference with flight instruments.

United uses a Boeing 747-400 aircraft, which has 14 seats in first class, 84 in business class and 270 in economy.

Four pilots work on the flight, which takes some 216,000 litres of fuel per trip, in addition to 18 cabin crew members


Source http://www.alasta.nl/index1.html
 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Wed Jan 23, 2002 11:00 pm

I found it !!!!

The longest 747-400 flight was in 1989.
Registration VH OJB 747-438 s/nr 24373 ( than known as Kangaroo Dream ) Now the Wunala Dreaming of Qantas.

Went from LHR to SYD nonstop
http://aerotransport.free.fr/index.html?Airlines/a48779

Can't be any longer
 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Wed Jan 23, 2002 11:25 pm

This one is ofcourse no the longest, but it is long indeed...

LAX-TLV by LY 744, 12,200 km.

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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Thu Jan 24, 2002 5:58 pm

Small correction the QF744 was VH-OJA City of Canberra done on August 17 1989, I'm not sure if it left LHR on that date or if it arrived in Sydney.  Smile
 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Thu Jan 24, 2002 6:00 pm

It arrived in Sydney but I think with just a bit of fuel left.. maybe not even enough for a possible go around?

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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Thu Jan 24, 2002 8:39 pm

Here are some distances from what people have mentioned...havent read all the posts, couldnt be bothered. (NB: 1km = 0.621371miles)

JNB-ATL 13568 km
ATL-CPT 13045 km
JFK-HKG 12990 km
JFK-JNB 12811 km
MEL-LAX 12762 km
DTW-HKG 12644 km
ORD-HKG 12542 km
CPT-FLL 12307 km
DTW-TPE 12145 km
SYD-LAX 12036 km
TPE-LAX 10950 km
SIN-LHR 10887 km
NRT-JFK 10856 km
AKL-EZE 10395 km
AMS-NRT 9366 km
LAX-LHR 8780 km




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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Thu Jan 24, 2002 8:39 pm

Actually I think that QF 744 arrived over Sydney with at least an hour's worth of fuel PLUS RESERVES. There is no way it arrived without enough fuel for a go-around, this is highly dangerous and illegal. They would have had to land in Darwin or somewhere if they hadn't been able to perform a go-around and circle for 45 minutes at Sydney, and divert to another city (Canberra or Melbourne)...or whatever the exact requirement is. If this hadn't been the case the pilots and dispatcher would have lost their licenses and even faced criminal action.
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Thu Jan 24, 2002 9:25 pm

Thanks Cedarjet for clearing this up. You have a good strong point. Wonder how much fuel did the B747 has left in it's tanks upon arrival. Couldn't be a lot I believe.
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Fri Jan 25, 2002 7:55 am

In regards to the LHR/SYD non stop delivery flight by VH-OJA the weather in Sydney that day was crap and QF were worried that they would have had to divert to MEL instead. A couple of hours before it was due the weather started to break (it only rained instead of poured down) and the cloud layer lifted and they decided to come to SYD. There were airport staff evrywhere watching her touch down, I must admit I got some good shots also.
If someone could answer me this, how far is SYD/JNB which QF now do.
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Fri Jan 25, 2002 8:08 am

Korean Air Boeing 744 SEOUL-DALLAS/FORT WORTH-SEOUL

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Seoul Incheon To DFW...

Fri Jan 25, 2002 9:31 am

...is 11011 km, so nothing special. SYD-JNB is 11044 km.
 
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Fri Jan 25, 2002 10:03 am

Timz, Thanks for that, maybe not the longest flight but still pretty long. According to the QF website it takes 13.50 westbound and only 11.45 eastbound, just shows the difference prevailing winds can have.
Thanks again.
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RE: Top 5 Longest B747-400 Route

Fri Jan 25, 2002 2:11 pm

Sydney-Johannesburg is 5982nm. Another long one (if still operated) is (was) Philippine Airlines Manila-Los Angeles at 6356nm - not top 5 but anyway
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