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UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Mon Jan 21, 2002 11:54 pm

This is in Airliner World Jan 02. Says that the UK is reviewing is Government/Royal Flight requirements for long range VIP transport.

It is apparently considering two categories of jets. One is the 340 as a replacement for the VC-10. Another is a jet in the Gulfstream/Global Express category.
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Mon Jan 21, 2002 11:55 pm

Would be very nice to see some A340 / Global Express aircraft flying for the UK Government. I'm sure they could get good prices for the A340 now.
 
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Tue Jan 22, 2002 12:02 am

I read in the newspaper about the gov posiibly getting 777
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Tue Jan 22, 2002 5:42 am

i doubt that :

a) 2 engines vs 4 engines = safety
b) american vs european = support your local industry

Could you imagine the us president buying an A380 ?
 
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Tue Jan 22, 2002 5:56 am

I suppose they will choose the A340-200 which is currently heavily promoted as a VIP-plane. The number of planes build is low, only few airlines operate it and most would like to dispose of them. The German Air Force has same thought, one as a VIP-plane, one as a transporter to support UN-missions. However nothing is fixed at the moment.

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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:16 am

I´ve read they are about to buy A342, the new ABJ for
VIP´s......
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:44 am

Why not an A340 plus 2 A318's rather than going for a Gulfstream.
 
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Tue Jan 22, 2002 8:16 am

How about a 777-200ER with RR engines and two Gulfstreams?
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Tue Jan 22, 2002 9:49 am

On second thoughts why can't the Queen and Mr Blair etc travel on Ryanair or easyjet? I know the PM has travelled on Ryanair before on private trips.
 
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Fri Jan 25, 2002 2:56 am

With the Monarchy in the UK still going, they might even make a new SST Concorde for HM the Queen.
 
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Fri Jan 25, 2002 3:30 am

Rubbish Konstantinos, last Concorde built made it's first flight in April 1979. Production tooling was destroyed, in any case the Queen has only used Concorde a few times in 25 years, most recently in 1991.
I doubt that a VIP aircraft will be brought, apart from the cost look at the use of the dedicated VIP RAF aircraft of 32 sqn, with BAe-146 and BAe-125 aircraft;
Royal Flights - 8%
Goverment - 16%
Military - 56%
The rest being training.

So Chartered BA aircraft most of the time, when security demands the RAF. For long-haul that means a VC-10, less often a Tristar. For the future what ever aircraft replaces them, ex-BA B767s or new A330s are in the running for that requirement, but mostly these will be for refuelling and military transport.
 
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Fri Jan 25, 2002 5:01 am

What about them considering the RR Trent 500 powered A340-500/600?
 
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Fri Jan 25, 2002 5:15 am

Buying new aircraft is too expensive, i think.
 
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Fri Jan 25, 2002 5:44 am

Racko

i doubt that :

a) 2 engines vs 4 engines = safety


That is incorrect Racko, 4 engines is NOT more safe than a twinjet. In fact, the likleyhood of something going wrong on a quadjet is doubled. Any twinjet can safely fly or finish a takeoff if nessessary and the chances of both engines having a problem is mathematically insignificant.
 
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Fri Jan 25, 2002 5:51 am

The Global Express would be the better choice seeing as how it is already being used by the UK for maritime patrol and other military applications. GO GLOBAL!!!!
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Fri Jan 25, 2002 8:06 am

Flight152, i know that twins are safe.
But anyway, VVIPs prefer quads - many arabian governments use A340s instead of 777s or A330s, AF1 is a 742 etc.

 
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Fri Jan 25, 2002 8:23 am

On Racko's second point, and assuming that the 345/6 are not in the running, I wonder what's more valuable to British Industry, BAe's wings on the 342 or the Trents, spares and maintenance on the 777's propulsion system? Over the life of the aircraft, my guess is that the 777 option ultimately brings more money to the home team than the 342.
 
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-1

Fri Jan 25, 2002 8:28 am

a) 2 engines vs 4 engines = safety

Please not this argument again...
 
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Fri Jan 25, 2002 11:17 am

Is the ACJ even under consideration?
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Fri Jan 25, 2002 12:06 pm

Racko

VIP's don't perfer quads, why do you think 99% of all Busness jets are twins? Bill Gates is a pretty important person for just flying in a twin (757).


Air Force one is a quad, yes, but there was no other large twin around to even consider.
 
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Sat Jan 26, 2002 3:04 am

I money were no object, a military A340.
It would have the fuselage of an A345, but stronger floors for cargo, plus a side freight door.
But the wings/engines of an A346.
Also, one hose for refuelling large aircraft under the rear fuselage, and two hoses for fighters, one under each wing. In other words, the standard RAF tanker layout.
Above the cockpit, a probe for taking on fuel in-flight.
Then the usual military equipment like secure radios, additional nav. gear, ability to be flown while crew are wearing chemical/biological protection gear, missile warning/jamming equipment.
22 of these would be built, plus 2 without the refuelling gear for crew training/pure transport and squadron support plus of course VIP when required.
Sounds outlandish? In the mid 60's the RAF got new VC-10's with the standard fuselage, plus the wing and engines of the super variant.
They also, unlike the civil VC-10s, had an APU.
Also this would be by far the best solution for UK industry, and would give the RAF, (who remember are deployed all over the place, often in action), a highly capable tanker/transport with impressive range and lift, plus not too bad a runway requirement for a civil jet, though not a real short-field jet like the VC-10.
But money is an object, and it aint a perfect world.
 
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Sat Jan 26, 2002 3:24 am

please, don't compare bill gates or the ceo of a company with a head of a state ...
I wrote "VVIP" and not "VIP",

Wingman, i think you are right, an a340 is not "more british" than a 777 - but the 777 is a Boeing while a A340 is an Airbus  Smile Sounds stupid, but if Tony Blair wants to continue his pro-european politics he'll buy an Airbus and not a 777.
 
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Sun Jan 27, 2002 6:05 pm

The RAF is due to get some modified Global Express jets modified for the ASTOR programme, basically a land surveillance radar system.
Not bad for industry, R/R-BMW engines, main fuselage by Shorts.
One or two extra without the radar gear, could be justified, for
crew- training/support etc, with VIP as an extra.
But the usual Prime Ministrial/Royal Flight, has the entourage of security and press office people, so any biz-jet based solution may be too small.
 
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RE: UK Is Considering A340 As Replacement For VC-10!

Sun Jan 27, 2002 10:09 pm


Boeing Nut,

ACJ is offering an A342 and targeting specifically the head-of-state crowd.